What action would you adopt if the new EU Seed Law comes into force?

I would abide by it and only grow what I am allowed to
I would break the law at the risk of prosecution
I would look for ways to dodge the legislation
I don't really care about the proposed legislation

: Would you break the Law for the freedom to grow what you want?  ( 1958 )

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Re: Would you break the Law for the freedom to grow what you want?
« #20 : January 04, 2014, 10:06:34 PM »
Do I get a gold star for that one then BG?  ThU32:-)
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Re: Would you break the Law for the freedom to grow what you want?
« #21 : January 04, 2014, 10:36:11 PM »
After your observation about F1 seeds I have looked at my catalogues and find that they all seem to be the same. So many F1 seeds that you now have to look for the none F1s rather than the other way around.
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Re: Would you break the Law for the freedom to grow what you want?
« #22 : January 05, 2014, 11:34:53 AM »
I think that you need to look in the organic gardening catalogues to find open pollinated seeds nowadays Squirrel.  Something like the Real Seeds Company or Organic Garden catalogue.  Trying to garden using only open pollinated plants is very difficult to do. 

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Re: Would you break the Law for the freedom to grow what you want?
« #23 : January 05, 2014, 11:43:58 AM »
Do I get a gold star for that one then BG?  ThU32:-)


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« #24 : January 05, 2014, 11:59:24 AM »
I think that you need to look in the organic gardening catalogues to find open pollinated seeds nowadays Squirrel.  Something like the Real Seeds Company or Organic Garden catalogue.  Trying to garden using only open pollinated plants is very difficult to do.

Seems to be the way it's going doesn't it? And have you noticed how few genuine open pollinated (so called 'organic') seed catalogues there are? They're becoming marginalised. Then take away the scams associated with open pollinated (organic) seeds, where a premium is put on the price because they're just tagged with the word "organic". There's another can of worms there where "organic" has become synonymous with "open pollination" which is of course an unnecessary confusion for new gardeners.

I'm convinced it's all part of a general effort to stop people saving their own seeds & transferring the total power to produce seeds to the big global seed companies. The F1 hybrid is just a weapon in that battle, it just puts obstacles in the way of the amateur growers. You can't convince me that seed companies need to push F1 seeds the way they do - after all it's far more effort for them. They do it, because the effort will bring the rewards for them in the future.
 

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« #25 : January 05, 2014, 12:24:45 PM »
After your observation about F1 seeds I have looked at my catalogues and find that they all seem to be the same. So many F1 seeds that you now have to look for the none F1s rather than the other way around.

Which is why it is important for us to put our money elsewhere.  If all the obvious catalogues that pop through the letterbox don't have the open pollinated seeds we want, let us strongly recommend and support with our wallets those who do.  Here are a few examples:
Real Seeds
Thomas Etty
Beans and Herbs
The Organic Catalogue


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« #26 : January 05, 2014, 12:32:12 PM »
Yes, that is confusing.  There are organic seeds that are also hybrid seeds and there are open pollinated seeds, often abbreviated to OP seeds - OP seeds are never hybrid.

In the UK it is mandatory to say if a seed is an F1 hybrid.  If a seed packet does not say that it is an F1 hybrid, then it is an open pollinated variety.  However occasionally it happens that seed companies SAY on their packets that something is an F1 hybrid, when it is actually not.  This is an attempt to charge more for hybrid seed.

Very confusing indeed.


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« #27 : January 05, 2014, 01:03:47 PM »
All born from the sickening face of commercialism & greed. It's a world where confusion is good because it's easier to fleece a 'confused' customer. Just ask the utility companies - they're experts at it!!

Getting people to change their ways is a truly difficult thing to do. If we all stopped buying fuel the fuel companies would be forced to lower their prices or risk going bust. Can you get people to stop buying fuel for a week? I think not - it's one of those frustrating oddities of life as a human!
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« #28 : January 05, 2014, 06:08:55 PM »
Although it is like HB:-(.  It does indicate how important forums like this are, particularly as they have a community of more informed gardeners.  I've learnt something new already.  Plant your leggy tomatoes on their side!

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« #29 : January 05, 2014, 06:37:26 PM »
That was  brilliant contribution under the "Tips 'n Tricks" Tony. Perhaps the next competition could be for the best "Tip" post?
 

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Re: Would you break the Law for the freedom to grow what you want?
« #30 : January 05, 2014, 06:38:54 PM »
Great idea BG clap:-)

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Re: Would you break the Law for the freedom to grow what you want?
« #31 : January 06, 2014, 12:12:46 AM »
I seldom buy from these people nowadays, but I do still like to look through the catalogues, which are sent at their expense.

Some of my seeds come from Kings because it supports my own allotment association, but most of what I get are from the less prominent sellers choosing those who often raise their own seeds.

To be honest I think that the vast majority of seeds all originate from just a few producers but they have them packed up with their own label.

Just a few years ago a totally new variety of potato became available and it was unrelated to any of the potatoes we have grown since Walter Raleigh introduced them. One of the names it was known as was Mayan Gold

Two or three places claimed an exclusivity of supply for this Peruvian treasure but each had it's own name. I felt this was a very strong indication that there is no exclusive supplier unless that supplier had raised those seeds themselves, or had sole access to that breeder.

I will continue to search for the older varieties unless there is a specific reason not to.
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« #32 : January 06, 2014, 07:53:15 PM »
You are a honest gardener Fluffy if the CPS can find one charge to bring in the Jimmy Seville case they wont worry about us. Was looking just before Christmas for seed potatoes , and looking through T/Ms  they had Mayan Gold. Money is not sort but we tend to buy for the grandchildren every week bits , and bobs, So I went with Charlotte only because they had free postage and only cost me £7.50 for 180 seed potatoes but GOLD STAR FROM ME TO  clap:-)

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Re: Would you break the Law for the freedom to grow what you want?
« #33 : January 06, 2014, 07:59:40 PM »
Not tried Mayan gold - yet.  I have already bought Kestrel and Red Duke of York  so I don't know whether I will  have any room.  I am still finding my feet with the spacings and areas on the new allotment.  If I have a gap in the potato bed I might try some.  I have never grown Golden Delicious either and might try these this year.

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Re: Would you break the Law for the freedom to grow what you want?
« #34 : January 06, 2014, 10:24:31 PM »
There are now many varieties of potato with Mayan Gold as one of the parents and I have tried a few. My favourite is Apache.

The beauty of Mayan Gold is that it really does cook much faster (saving on energy) so be carful or it will turn to mush.
It really does taste like it has already been buttered (saving on calories)

It too is seemingly produced by Albert Bartlett and only gives small potatoes but we absolutely love the flavour.
I save the small ones to replant and have several tubers which are now chitted and I will be planting them into potato sacks very soon. They are a waxy variety.

http://albertbartlett.co.uk/potatoes/apache/
http://www.varieties.potato.org.uk/display_description.php?variety_name=Apache

I grow them early because they are not strongly blight resistant and I seem to live in an area where blight is a big problem and I hate spraying anything with chemicals unless I really have to.
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Re: Would you break the Law for the freedom to grow what you want?
« #35 : January 06, 2014, 11:38:13 PM »
Growing natual seed a law? no f(((((( way, thats a joke.

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« #36 : January 06, 2014, 11:38:58 PM »
I will grow what ever the like i want to grow, are the police going to stop me.  the government is a joke.

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Re: Would you break the Law for the freedom to grow what you want?
« #37 : January 06, 2014, 11:48:53 PM »
We'll all be out there silently toiling away in the dark with balaklavas on Emma!  lol(1)
 

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Re: Would you break the Law for the freedom to grow what you want?
« #38 : January 07, 2014, 01:32:11 AM »
Shhhhhh just got back from practicing my nocturnal skills at sowing and planting so I will be ready when the time comes    ROL :-))
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« #39 : January 07, 2014, 12:28:07 PM »
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