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AERON PURPLE STAR Runner Beans => Discussions about the AERON PURPLE STAR => Topic started by: Big Gee on December 03, 2013, 05:16:52 PM

Title: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on December 03, 2013, 05:16:52 PM
DO let me know how the Aeron Purple Star runner beans performed for you.

I would also like to know if you were happy with them and any other comments (good or bad) that you want to make in the form of a review.

You can post your review in the form of a reply to this Topic.

Many thanks -

G.

 ThU32:-)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: spuds on April 04, 2014, 12:47:23 PM
Hi BG
just to say that I potted up my aeron purple beans today , they are in what most would call a cold greenhouse
I also potted up white lady  so lets see what happens now
spuds
(mick ford)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on April 04, 2014, 01:59:05 PM
clap:-) Brilliant Mick! You're ahead of the game - I haven't got mine sown yet! I don't plant them out till the middle of May (we get a lot of wind scorch from the sea here) - so they usually get sown around the second week of April.

Did they all germinate OK?
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: spuds on April 04, 2014, 03:11:09 PM
should have said just planted them in pots, none come up yet and its been three hours !!! now
mick ford
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on April 04, 2014, 04:11:13 PM
should have said just planted them in pots, none come up yet and its been three hours !!! now
mick ford

 cwl:-] SORRY!  RedFaced:-(
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: spuds on April 16, 2014, 09:17:03 AM
beans are up after 12 days
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on April 16, 2014, 09:24:26 AM
Woo-Hooo my babies are on the move! If yours are sprouting then none of the other seventy odd recipients of my APS have any excuses!

Made my day that Mick! You're the first to come back with evidence of this year's Aeron Purple Star crop. Thanks! Any failures (just out of interest)?
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: spuds on April 16, 2014, 09:34:33 AM
can't tell yet if there are  any non starters as they have only just started coming up
the Aeron are in the first tray and white lady in trays behind all planted  same time
4/4/14
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on April 16, 2014, 09:22:14 PM
 ThU:-)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Poppa Tommo on April 16, 2014, 10:16:53 PM
I've decided to only grow the Aeron Purple Star this year so that I can save plenty of seed for next year without cross pollination. I'm not within half mile from any other bean growers so should keep nice and pure.

Anyway they are all in pots now so I am looking forward to trying them. I suppose, like all purple coloured 'greens' they will cook green and lose their purple colour.
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on April 16, 2014, 10:41:00 PM
That's good news Tommo! I might be able to spare a few more if you want.

That's about the size of it they grow green, turn purple then go a dark green again when cooked!

If you've got that sort of natural isolation - would you consider growing a row just for my seed stock?
  Grin2:-)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Btoe on April 16, 2014, 10:58:36 PM
I planted mine on Sunday in Jacks Magic so hoping for the best, I have them in an uneated greenhouse just now although our weather is pretty warm just now. Keeping my fingers crossed now  chkl:-]
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on April 16, 2014, 11:13:49 PM
They'll only come second to Jack's magic beans EOTB!!!!  ROL :-))
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: scary crow on April 16, 2014, 11:20:34 PM
Got mine sitting here will be planting them either friday or saturday so fingers crossed they will all come up ...
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on April 16, 2014, 11:33:39 PM
How many have you got Scary? I've forgotten (Leslie Welch syndrome!)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: scary crow on April 16, 2014, 11:50:35 PM
Hello Gee i have 20 beans here ....
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on April 17, 2014, 12:02:53 AM
Is that enough for you?

Can you grow them in relative isolation?
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Westheathdave on April 17, 2014, 12:08:47 AM
I've decided to only grow the Aeron Purple Star this year so that I can save plenty of seed for next year without cross pollination. I'm not within half mile from any other bean growers so should keep nice and pure.

 ThU432:-) Nice one KT we should have nice thourghbred beans then, nice pure stock for future proofing.

Certainly looking good ay G.  ThU32:-)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on April 17, 2014, 12:14:52 AM
"It serpently is Ollie!"

PS - thank you & Sam for the Easter card - a lovely thought & gesture - big kiss on the cheek for Sam from me please!
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: scary crow on April 17, 2014, 12:37:59 AM
Is that enough for you?

Can you grow them in relative isolation?



Oh yes 20 beans is more than enough ...Im gonna try and grow 10 in a upright debris netting tunnel and pollinate by hand if possible ...
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Westheathdave on April 17, 2014, 12:43:35 AM
"It serpently is Ollie!"

PS - thank you & Sam for the Easter card - a lovely thought & gesture - big kiss on the cheek for Sam from me please!


No problem mate just gave her a nice big one on the cheek.  :-)=
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on April 17, 2014, 12:44:02 AM
Should be no problem for someone like you - with a deft artist's hand! DEFT I said not DAFT!!!   ROL :-))
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: scary crow on April 17, 2014, 12:50:54 AM
Deft right hand daft left hand   :-)snigger ..  That way i can taste and save seed for the following year/s ...Have read that some growers save the roots at the end of the year and are some times lucky enough to get them to grow again would be handy if i could do that aswell saves even more seed that way have you ever tried and suceeded ?...suck seeded lol ..
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Btoe on April 17, 2014, 08:15:01 AM
 cwl:-] never thought of that, just bought new cane supports for them as well and my wife asked what I was expecting to grow as they about 8 ft long and I usuall only use the dwarf sized canes  lol(1)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: spuds on April 17, 2014, 08:41:59 AM
 11 out of 18 born now you must be feeling very proud daddy  ROL :-))
general view of greenhouse

 
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Poppa Tommo on April 17, 2014, 09:17:08 AM
Lovely, I love a nice ordered greenhouse. I've been scouting round the carboots looking for one of those Eltex Parafinn heaters for mine.

My main sowing of the District Nurse go in pots today.
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: spuds on April 17, 2014, 09:24:33 AM
Hi KT
if do get a heater try  Caldo oils at heathfield for paraffin cheapest I could find
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Poppa Tommo on April 17, 2014, 09:42:46 AM
Thanks Spuds

I need to go to Mole Valley soon for some animal feeds....perhaps we could meet up for a cuppa.
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on April 17, 2014, 10:55:18 AM
It's fantastic for me to hear that my little babies are being born all over the country!  CThUpD:-)

Runners are perennials, but only if grown in frost free areas - not sure about digging up the roots and replanting. It's a thought though isn't it scary?
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: spuds on April 17, 2014, 02:59:26 PM
Thanks Spuds

I need to go to Mole Valley soon for some animal feeds....perhaps we could meet up for a cuppa.
yes KT I would like that, I don't work so just let me know when your over my way
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Westheathdave on April 17, 2014, 05:33:40 PM

Runners are perennials, but only if grown in frost free areas - not sure about digging up the roots and replanting. It's a thought though isn't it scary?[/font][/size]
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Might be away of keeping some true especially if they exceptional beans dig em up keep em warm over winter could be worth a try with 2 or 3 plants
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: scary crow on April 17, 2014, 07:23:27 PM
Well im thinking about giving it a go at the end of the season what have you got to lose will pot them up put them somewhere shelterd and see what happens next season ....Blimey just realised im talking about the end of the season it,s only just starting  cwl:-] ..
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on April 17, 2014, 11:29:50 PM
Definately worth a try!  ThU32:-)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Poppa Tommo on April 18, 2014, 08:03:49 AM
Tomatoes are perennials too and you can bring them throught the winter in a frost free and light place. Never done it myself, mostly because I like to try out new varieties but I suppose one day I will. Heating and lighting, the two most expensive things for a grower deter me slightly.
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: spuds on April 20, 2014, 08:00:14 AM
Hi BG
all YOUR ( my) beans have come up  must have had two spare, as I have 20 plants (2 pots have 2 plants in) just stood them outside will do this each day and bring them in at night
to start Harding them up, has taken 16 days for all to come up , almost all the white lady are now up as well planted same time
looks like rain here today over cast and not so warm   

Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on April 20, 2014, 12:04:11 PM
YESSSSSS - that's a result then 100% germination, it's difficult to get better than that!  :-)snigger

You keep those White Ladies away from those randy Aeron Purple Stars - they're pretty promiscuous! Otherwise you'll have lots of little half breeds later on!
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: spuds on April 20, 2014, 03:34:19 PM
Ha Ha  ROL :-))
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Westheathdave on April 20, 2014, 05:17:04 PM
Spuds  A nice result I had the same last year with G's beans 100% germination with super growth they were 3 times the size of my other beans and a real bumper crop.  ThU32:-)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on April 20, 2014, 07:55:31 PM
 Blush:-( I rest bmy case!!!!  HTT:-}

Thanks Dave - tenner's in the post!!!!   what:-{
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: scary crow on April 24, 2014, 10:49:01 PM
Well im very glad to say that my beans the APS that i recieved from Big Gee have just achieved 100% germination  clap:-)
really pleased with that just looking forward to eating the beans now ...
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on April 25, 2014, 12:31:21 AM
Well this is sounding very good! 100%, 100% germination rates so far - can't be bad eh?  CW ;-)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: rugbypost on April 25, 2014, 06:48:21 PM
Same here B/G all up and looking strong have done 60 plants with 60 to go oldies love a few beans  the buggers are knocking the door like out of a Shrek movie ARE THEY READY YET.  (lol)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on April 26, 2014, 12:24:49 AM
Did I give you 60 APS beans Mike?!!!  what:-{

Or do you mean that the APS I gave you have a 100% germination rate & you have others as well?

You watch those 'Wrinklys' they can be cicious when hungry!!!!  Nothing will stand between them and their beans  ROL :-))
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Poppa Tommo on April 26, 2014, 07:30:20 AM
Only sowed mine 4 days ago and they are just begining to break the surface. I'm only growing Purple Star myself on my plot, there is no one within half a mile or more growing runners so I should be ok for true varietal returns on the seeds. Although, bees will forage up to 2 miles so I suppose there is always a possibility. Having said that , runners are honeybees least favourite and that, coupled with the fact that honeybees don't come into contact with the pollen of beans (they bore a small hole a the base of the flower to extract the nectar as they can't open the flower and their tongues aren't long enough).

 Can you tell me if they will cross with climbing french beans BG.
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on April 26, 2014, 12:44:31 PM
It's always a risk - but in all honesty quite a low one. I've noticed that the greatest number of runners will set from pollen in the same row. In THEORY bees COULD carry pollen from miles away but they seldom do.

Have no fear on the French beans front. They will NOT cross pollinate with runners. In fact most French beans are self pollinating - hence the holy grail of breeders for years has been the possibility of getting a true cross breed in order to make runners self pollinating, but to my knowledge no one has successfully pulled it off - a bit like tigons & ligers - not quite genetically close enough to freely cross.
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: marcofez on April 27, 2014, 12:21:25 PM
Sowed my seeds on the 25th April. Wait with baited breath for their emergence!!! ThU:-)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on April 27, 2014, 05:48:20 PM
Don't forget to get back & tell me the good news when they appear marcofez! They're fast - but not QUITE fast enough to appear in two days!!!  cmu:-)

Be sure to let me know the germination rate - it's been 100% with everyone so far - so I'm trying to keep the record going  ThU:-)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: rugbypost on April 27, 2014, 09:17:22 PM
Hi B/G no I had 18 beans off you 3 are going for seed the rest are in a row of White Lady germination was great am looking forward to trying them. Whats it like with you weather here still very cold for sowing seeds outside most are in the greenhouse in trays. Dog still going strong she is like a 2 year old and eating tin and a half of food a day  (HA) Hope everyone is well on site I look in everyday for a read but not getting from the allotment until late  we have a game of cards 5s and 3s in the afternoon then home for a row of Meryl for doing to much  (ha) will message you this week for all the gossip.
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on April 27, 2014, 10:44:00 PM
Hi B/G no I had 18 beans off you 3 are going for seed the rest are in a row of White Lady germination was great am looking forward to trying them. Whats it like with you weather here still very cold for sowing seeds outside most are in the greenhouse in trays. Dog still going strong she is like a 2 year old and eating tin and a half of food a day  (HA) Hope everyone is well on site I look in everyday for a read but not getting from the allotment until late  we have a game of cards 5s and 3s in the afternoon then home for a row of Meryl for doing to much  (ha) will message you this week for all the gossip.

That's great Mike - I'm really chuffed with the germination rates, now see how vigourous they are alongside the White Lady. You are going to be gob smacked - ask Dave what his were like last year!  CW ;-)

You're going to have to get those two fingers working Mike! No good 'lurking' in the shadows just reading. We miss you.
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: wonky on April 29, 2014, 11:51:50 AM
My 13 APS were put in pots (Jacks Magic) on 18th April and of this morning the first 3 are just beginning to break through the surface - looking good!!  ThU32:-)

My neighbour who has the other 12 seeds wont be setting his for another couple of weeks yet but will keep you posted when he does.

wonky.
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Poppa Tommo on April 30, 2014, 07:28:59 AM
17/17 for me, so well pleased.

I know you sent me 18, BG, but I dropped one somewhere....3 days ago I found it at the bottom of the stairs so I gave it to my mate Pete who has an allotment in Birmingham.
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on April 30, 2014, 11:21:08 AM
BRILLIANT! That 100% germination rate is holding fast. You must be confident - sending ONE bean all the way to Birngham for your mate!!!  lol(1)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Westheathdave on April 30, 2014, 07:09:12 PM
 cwl:-] Not more AP's in Birmingham  ThU32:-)  Not Birngham  :-\
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on May 01, 2014, 12:01:25 AM
cwl:-] Not more AP's in Birmingham  ThU32:-)  Not Birngham  :-\

Sorry Dave - a small glitch in the communication circuit between forefinger & grey matter cells!  Blush:-(
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Btoe on May 01, 2014, 10:59:11 AM
Hi Gee, I have 12 seeds from you, 10 came through and one has since died, strange as the others are up about 6-7" just now but sign of other two. I think the other plotholders are planting beans as well so might have problems. I did think about taking them home  to grow in pots to grow in isolation but when you see the size they grow to sort of shrinks the garden a goodly bit. How would you be able to tell if they have cross pollinated, would you see it in the saved seeds or next years crops? Cheers
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on May 01, 2014, 12:58:57 PM
Oh dear my 100% germination rate record has gone then! It was only yesterday that Phil - one of my lottie mates told me that every single one of the ones I'd given him were up as well.

When beans cross pollinate there is nothing outwardly different to see in the pods or beans produced in the pod by the parent - however the bean itself holds the secret in it's genes. When IT germinates the following season & grows, it will develop into a plant that has a mixture of the genes carried through from it's parents. If you had a daughter and she became pregnant you would not know whether the father was a Swede or an African until the baby is born!

The only way you can tell is by what's produced next year from the beans you save this year. Don't have nightmares over it though - the majority of the flowers you produce will have been pollinated from a flower close by, so obviously you're more likely to have beans from the strain you are growing BUT there is always the risk that a bee or other pollinating insect may carry pollen from a neighboring grower's bean flowers before it lands on yours.
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: wonky on May 01, 2014, 01:30:36 PM
A bit of better news then G - all my 13 seeds have now germinated so its mostly 100 percenters!!  chrs:-)

wonky.
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on May 01, 2014, 01:56:22 PM
A bit of better news then G - all my 13 seeds have now germinated so its mostly 100 percenters!!  chrs:-)

wonky.

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Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: spuds on May 05, 2014, 07:10:30 PM
my APS  have been set free today , yes planted out could not wait any longer they were getting to big
also out today white lady  runner beans, French beans , and curly kale can't beat a nice bit of kale
picked some "spring cabbage" yesterday to go with the Sunday roast  went down honey sweet  ThU432:-)

also been very busy in the greenhouse potting on my flower plants for summer display
made up 8 hanging baskets they will stay in greenhouse for a while yet
now time to open the bottle got a nice  drop of red
 
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Btoe on May 05, 2014, 10:31:34 PM
Gee, That's my APS planted out today as they were getting too big. I lost one out of the 12 so good going for me with the Jacks Magic, so far big healthy plants. Thanks again Eric  clap:-)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on May 06, 2014, 12:02:39 AM
You are VERY welcome Eric - what's the point of being on this earth if we can't help one another in some small way?

I'm so glad you've discovered the beans & a good medium to grow them in - I told you Jack's Magic was special didn't I ? CW ;-)

Besides how could you tell the story of magic beans without a 'Jack' involved somewhere!!  lol(1)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Btoe on May 06, 2014, 08:40:52 AM
 lol(1) Very true Geee Cheers!!!
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: wonky on May 19, 2014, 10:51:15 AM
Just an update on my neighbours APS - all 12 germinated and are now in the ground but sadly he has lost 2 of them to mollusc attack!  HB:-( He was out with the little blue pills of death yesterday afternoon so hopefully there wont be any more accidental losses!!  ThU32:-)

wonky.
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on May 19, 2014, 11:22:31 AM
 Angry:-{ Little SWINES!

Nevetr mind - if he can save ten he'll still have plenty left to crop - because they'll crop their socks off for him!  That 100% germination rate is still holding up well isn't it?CW ;-)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Poppa Tommo on May 19, 2014, 07:41:26 PM
Well my 17 APS are all tucked up, little blue pills and all and within 24 hours had begun to curl onto the canes. Very nice looking plants they are too. Now I've got to be extra vigilant and make sure the sheep don't barge their way into the lottie. It was a bit of a scare tonight as Ruth had left the chicken gate unlocked. Somehow it had opened and at egg collecting time I found them busily scratching up my onions, feasting on the newly ridged spuds and exploring my first attempt at oca....little buggers! THANKFULLY they didn't find my 3 frames of APS, DN and Carminat tasty looking enough and I was spared......PHEW!
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on May 20, 2014, 12:26:52 AM
Well my 17 APS are all tucked up, little blue pills and all and within 24 hours had begun to curl onto the canes. Very nice looking plants they are too. Now I've got to be extra vigilant and make sure the sheep don't barge their way into the lottie. It was a bit of a scare tonight as Ruth had left the chicken gate unlocked. Somehow it had opened and at egg collecting time I found them busily scratching up my onions, feasting on the newly ridged spuds and exploring my first attempt at oca....little buggers! THANKFULLY they didn't find my 3 frames of APS, DN and Carminat tasty looking enough and I was spared......PHEW!

The perils of a 'smallholder' eh?  Grin2:-)

You be sure to keep those critters of yours away away from the APS Tommo!!
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: aftermidnight on May 27, 2014, 05:52:09 PM
 YRTB   Big G. The Aeron Purple Star you sent arrived in this morning's mail. I'm going to hop foot it out to the greenhouse and start 3 or 4, I don't know if I'll have enough time to collect seed this year, it will all depend on what kind of a summer we have so will leave the rest for next year. Thanks again I am so looking forward to growing your purple runner bean  HTT:-}

Annette
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on May 27, 2014, 09:25:58 PM
Yesssss! I'm quite relieved - I was starting to get anxious that they were taking a bit long - but the panic's over by the sound of things  CW ;-)

I'm not the best - you are Annette - with your impressive collection  ThU5:-)

Your Cherokee Trail of Tears and Irish Connors have broken the surface & made daylight on this side of the pond! I'm REALLY looking forward to seeing how they perform. The wigwam supports are all up and waiting for them to gain a few more inches before planting out.

You'll have more Aeron Purple Stars than you'll be able to point a stick at by the end of summer - I'm looking forward to your feedback more than most because of the difference in climate & soil type. There's another Canadian that I sent the APS bean seeds to - Jeannine Chalmers from Mapleridge BC - is that far from you?

I haven't had a ny feedback from her yet, but I think she spends most of her time on another forum and seems a bit shy to pop in here for natter.

All the best with my 'babies'!  ThU5:-)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: aftermidnight on May 27, 2014, 11:36:07 PM
Hi Big G.
 I'm about an hour and three quarter ferry ride plus another hour in the car from Jeannine. I think I know the other forum she's on but I don't post on it.  She and I will probably meet up some time down the road as we both have grown the Gigandes runner from Greece. This one is grown for shellies and dried. Made a wonderful casserole with some last year. Now I will be waiting and watching for your APS's to germinate, I think I will grow them on a bit in the greenhouse before I plant them in the garden. I'll let you know how they do.  I started a Aeron Purple Star thread on the other forum I'm on, I'm sure there will be a FEW interested in them :).
Annette
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on May 28, 2014, 12:28:41 PM
That's great - thanks Annette!  ThU432:-)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: aftermidnight on June 03, 2014, 06:10:12 PM
I had a nice surprise when I went out to the greenhouse this morning, the 4 seeds I planted of APS have poked through the potting mix, they look sturdy and VERY healthy. I started them in 3" pots and think I will pot them up a size or two before planting out since I'm a little on the late side getting these going. I'm growing so many different varieties (32) of beans this year I had to clear out one of my flower beds, beans have become sooooo addictive :).

Annette
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on June 04, 2014, 12:59:36 AM
Glad to hear it Annette - another 100%er germination rate!! You'll find they are very vigourous & grow at a terrific rate in the right conditions.

Just one 'miss' out of 12 at my end with the "Irish Connors" they seem very healthy and vigourous too. Not so lucky with the "Cherokee Trail of Tears" though - their germination is a bit iffy, unless they're a bit slow out of the blocks. maybe they need a bit more warmth than the Connors.

The others are also popping through, but although they were sown at the same time as the Connors they're quite a way behind. I'll keep you posted  ThU5:-)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Poppa Tommo on June 04, 2014, 06:48:19 AM
Exciting, isn't it, all this new stuff. One question, though, BG, with all these randy new varieties going how are you going to guarantee purity in you seed stock for next year? Myself? I am only doing APS as my runners this year so if I get any surplus seeds they will be 'clean' if you need any.

How do you manage it, Annette, with all the varieties you grow?
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on June 04, 2014, 03:24:49 PM
I only grow APS runners Tommo - no foreigners! I grow a double 20 plant row for eating and sharing, then I grow my 'seed' plants seperately on a wigwam support. They get isolated ant hand pollinated.

All the other varieties are French climbing (pole) beans. The French beans are self pollinating and not as promiscuous as their cousins the runner beans.

French & runner beans don't cross so I can grow as many French bean varieties as I like without interferring with my APS strain.


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Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: aftermidnight on June 04, 2014, 04:16:05 PM
As a rule I only grow one runner in any given year, if anyone in the neighbourhood is growing runners I usually supply them with seed of the same one I''m growing. This year I'm the only one growing runners :).

As for common beans (vulgaris) I've only had a cross or mutation once, one of the beans in one pod was a different colour, I grew this bean out two years in a row, each year the bean seed was a different in colour and shape.
 
'Ma Williams' is one of the common beans known to be quite promiscuous, I've only grown her once and bagged the flowers I wanted to keep for seed.  Just to make sure I'll be  bagging some of flowers on most of the varieties I grow this year, the seed from these will get stored away separately just in case I do get some crosses, I garden 'Cottage Style' lots of flowers in amongst the veggies for the bees to wipe their feet on and keep my fingers crossed :).

On the news last night the weatherman said we are in for a very hot dry summer, unusual for here, if that's the case some of the beans I'm growing won't set until it cools down, I've got my fingers crossed that we have a long decent fall.

Annette

Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on June 04, 2014, 07:09:13 PM
It's very interesting what you say about having a hand in what's grown nearby Annette. On an allotment site it's almost impossible to do that - bean seeds are so easy to come by these days, everyone has their own favourite and then you'd have the awkward ones who wouldn't grow anything except what they want to grow.

Brython Stenner (the breeder of the world famous Stenner show bean) lived in a small village called Cefn Cribwr near Bridgened South Wales. There are limitless stories told about him, because he was a legend in his own lifetime. Brython would supply EVERY veg. grower in the village with his special strain of beans. This was not just an act of kindness (although he was a kind person, but didn't suffer fools gladly) it was to ensure the purity of his own runner bean strains. Brython (or 'Taffy' Stenner as he was known by many) would supply the beans on the strict understanding that the growers could have them for free, in return for a solemn promise that they would not grow any other bean! That of course was in the days when there was no internet buying and people didn't travel very far, and many were too poor to buy their seeds - they would save/ swap those they produced themselves.

For a little bit more information click
HERE  (http://gardenerschat-shed.net/forum/gardening_wisdoms/Brython_Stenner_tribute.htm)to view a tribute to Brython Stenner in my "Gardening Wisdoms" series.
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: scary crow on June 07, 2014, 11:20:31 PM
Here,s a couple of pictures of my APS no fancy bean frame though i think i,ll be making one of those for next season the 3 beans on there own are going to be covered and hand pollinated ..


Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on June 07, 2014, 11:32:21 PM
You are about to be made an honourary member of the APS trialling team Scary!

Look after those three babies and send me photos and a report on them please mate. If Annette grows hers in isolation in Canada I'll be asking her to do the same - to see how they perform under different environments & in different soil types.

Wonderful to have such dedicated friends!  ThU:-)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: scary crow on June 07, 2014, 11:36:01 PM
Look after those three babies and send me photos and a report on them please mate.

Will do mate  ThU:-) 
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on June 07, 2014, 11:48:23 PM
Ta - YRTB
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: squirrel on June 08, 2014, 01:34:45 AM
As I am late with everything this year, I decided to try the tip given to me by an allotment neighbour to speed up germination. My precious Aeron Purple Star were carefully wrapped in a swaddling coat of a few layers of tissue paper. This was then soaked and placed in a dish which in turn was placed in a plastic bag. (my neighbour wraps in wet newspaper and puts in a carrier bag.)

Within 48hrs the little sprutts were showing in the side of the bean as they began germination. Two days ago they were tenderly transferred to the waiting toilet roll tubes and lovingly tucked up in a bed of seed compost and placed on my kitchen windowsill.

This morning there was a couple of green shoots popping up their heads and several bumps in the soil denoting pressure from beneath.

BUT! ... By this evening I had several shoots thrusting through the soil which were between two to three inches tall.

The bed is ready for them at the allotment but the supports are not quite finished. It's at the top of my priority list now but some of the plants will be kept at home for seed saving.

Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on June 08, 2014, 12:07:02 PM
Brilliant Fluffy!  clap:-)

They don't hang about. I've yet to see beans grow with such speed & vigour. They seem in a hurry to get the job done  :-)snigger

I've noticed over the seasons that my APS are usually the forerunners in germination and initial growth races when you compare them with other varieties. The initial goal was to get purple pods (an incredibly rare thing in runners - I don't actually know of any other runner bean variety with purple pods), the vigour was just a side benefit - an added bonus - but a very welcome one. They're more vigourous than any of the strains I crossed to produce them.
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: aftermidnight on June 08, 2014, 03:55:16 PM
Mine are in the ground, I was going to pot them on and let them grow on a bit before planting out but we are having an unusually warm dry June so I planted my four plants out. Being late to the game I could only find a spot for them with my Chinese Red Noodles so they are growing on the same trellis with them, no chance of a cross there, so far they're looking good.
If we have the hot summer the powers that be have forecasted they might not set pods till later on when it cools down. As a rule our weather is much like that in the U.K. but nowadays we never know what we're going to end up with. Next year they will have a prime place to grow, I'll start preparing the bed this  fall.
 
Chinese Red Noodles are very iffy here, they need a good warm/hot summer to produce, the last time I grew them I grew a few in the greenhouse. This was an experimental planting in the garden so if they fizzle out my Aeron Purple Stars will have the trellis to themselves.
Annette
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on June 08, 2014, 05:54:05 PM
Excellent - keep feeding the info back Annette! I'm dying to find out how they grow in your Vancouver soil & Canadian weather!  ThU:-)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: wonky on June 10, 2014, 04:14:42 PM
Slightly mixed results so far but guess that has all been weather related. The tallest was 52 inches as of Sunday whilst a couple had only just realised that I'd provided them with canes but at least they had found them. Now Tuesday and it looks like the race to the top is in full swing!!!

wonky.
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on June 10, 2014, 04:28:22 PM
No failures though Wonky? Give them two weeks and they'll all be roughly the same height. Pity you didn't have any other variety for comparison - it would then show whether it's the weather that's been the culprit. Most of the growers who have tried the APS report back that they find they are quicker off the mark & keep on growing at a faster rate than most comparisons. The proof of the pudding will be in the eating later on!  ThU:-)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: aftermidnight on June 11, 2014, 12:05:42 AM
A question....about the toilet paper tubes you use for planting your runner bean seed, do you cut them in half or leave them full length. I guess you could use paper towel rolls cut to length as well. It's too late to do it this year but next year I'd like to try it your way, up until now I've used 3" plastic pots or  4 or 6 packs, tipping them out carefully as I plant out or pot on. I DON'T like those little peat pellets in netting, never had any good results with them.


Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: wonky on June 11, 2014, 01:02:51 AM
No failures at all - just a couple of slow starters, probably a combination of the chilly weather and the revolting slimy creatures, but they are all going for it now. Can't wait for them to start flowering and the appearance of some tiny beans!!

wonky.
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Poppa Tommo on June 12, 2014, 07:44:28 AM
I've been pulled in all directions lately so quite ten minutes refuge on the plot last night (haven't been down for two days) and the APS are all busy popping out their deep red flowers. Lovely.

About the loo roll tubes....I keep the long ones - kitchen rolls - for sowing my parsnips. Parsnips are notoriously awkward and slow germinating which is why people sow 3 at each station and fill in the gaps with radishes so they know where they are. I load up a seed tray with these longer tubes full of compost, put one parsnip seed in each  and place them in my heated propagator.  Up they come - virtually 100% germination in record time.

Why the long tubes? Well parsnips produce a long thin tap root right from germination so as soon as I see the first leaves I lift out a tube or two and check the bottoms. As soon as I see the tiniest tip of root showing I take them, dig a deep hole, enough to comfortably place the unbroken root and tube in, and plant the whole thing. This way the tap root is un disturbed and away they go.

This means that you can keep the parsnip bed clear of weeds right up to planting time so they get a head start.
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Poppa Tommo on June 14, 2014, 06:47:13 PM
Just thought you might like to see some of my APS flowers.    CThUpD:-)

(https://ci4.googleusercontent.com/proxy/EX7hczmRudVq6zt3I5ZSslkztDv9UhpOq-9RsPZUvqi7UsxzK5dNe15wW80kwdgdktgyepr5Z51705OzB_VNl5HqmzcIDvOQwLcGcpqXDHjCcSc=s0-d-e1-ft#https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3920/14231518038_054c9845bc.jpg)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: aftermidnight on June 14, 2014, 06:59:22 PM
Lovely, I can hardly wait for mine to start flowering. The 4 APS's I popped in the ground last sunday are already starting to climb, they don't hang around do they, they get right down to business :).

Annette
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on June 15, 2014, 12:38:53 AM
Just thought you might like to see some of my APS flowers.    CThUpD:-)

(https://ci4.googleusercontent.com/proxy/EX7hczmRudVq6zt3I5ZSslkztDv9UhpOq-9RsPZUvqi7UsxzK5dNe15wW80kwdgdktgyepr5Z51705OzB_VNl5HqmzcIDvOQwLcGcpqXDHjCcSc=s0-d-e1-ft#https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3920/14231518038_054c9845bc.jpg)

Yes I recognise that - one of my 'babies'! Nice specimen! Thank you very much for posting that photo Tommo. It seems to like that bit of 'Devon Red'!  ThU:-)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on June 15, 2014, 12:41:17 AM
Lovely, I can hardly wait for mine to start flowering. The 4 APS's I popped in the ground last sunday are already starting to climb, they don't hang around do they, they get right down to business :).

Annette

So they like the Vancouver climate and air as well then Annette!

Yes - I told you they don't hang about didn't I?  CW ;-)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: spuds on June 21, 2014, 08:11:26 AM
update on my aps  is they are setting well beans about one inch long now  CThUpD:-)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on June 21, 2014, 04:12:10 PM
update on my aps  is they are setting well beans about one inch long now  CThUpD:-)

 clap:-) EXCELLENT news spuds! Wait till you taste 'em!!!  Grin2:-)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Poppa Tommo on June 21, 2014, 10:16:21 PM
First of my tiny APS beans introduced themselves to me today. How exciting.
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on June 22, 2014, 11:20:32 AM
First of my tiny APS beans introduced themselves to me today. How exciting.

 CThUpD:-)

Won't be long now before they're on your plate Tommo!
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Poppa Tommo on June 23, 2014, 08:03:20 AM
I can't believe the speed at which these grow it's only June and they are at the top of my 8ft canes with 4 months of growing to go. I think I'm going to be swamped at the top. Pity I didn't see the 'inverted wigwam design before I planted them.

 The flowers are the deepest and most vibrant reds I can ever remember of any runners I've grown...lovely.
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on June 23, 2014, 01:24:25 PM
 cwl:-] One day Tommo ALL runner beans in the world will be like my Aeron Purple Stars!!

I can't wait for your response when you start harvesting them - those totally stringless pods & melt in the mouth flavour will make you break out in an orgasmic  drooling fit  ROL :-))

I'd nip out the tips before they disappear out of your reach if I were you.  Grin2:-)

And after all that you'll get purple pods when they mature - the ones you'll be eating will probably be green with maroon shades, but the ones you leave to mature will go a deep purple. That's a few years of hard breeding work you have there my friend, and the only ones of their kind that I've yet seen. You try and find another purple PODDED runner bean. I can honestly say that the APS beans are the zenith of my gardening efforts over forty years  Blush:-(
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: scary crow on June 23, 2014, 07:52:15 PM
Mine are heading for the sky aswell and got the red flowers appearing looking forward to eating them and saving the seed from my hand pollinated ones ...
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on June 23, 2014, 10:58:50 PM
Mine are heading for the sky aswell and got the red flowers appearing looking forward to eating them and saving the seed from my hand pollinated ones ...

You can be the official 'eastern region' grower, stockist & supplier scary!!!  CThUpD:-)

I'm SO pleased you're all so enthusiastic about them!
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Poppa Tommo on June 23, 2014, 11:54:35 PM
Your chest must be swelling with pride, G, well done on your dedication and achievement.
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on June 24, 2014, 10:36:13 AM
Your chest must be swelling with pride, G, well done on your dedication and achievement.

Well thank you for your kind words Tommo! The REAL pleasure is seeing others get something out of my effort. The result of the selective breeding was a BIG thrill - but the biggest thrill is reading the feedback!

I feel very privelleged to have hit an elusive breeding jackpot - it's often more luck than judgement when it comes to these things. Some far better and more knowledgeable breeders than me have spent a whole lifetime trying to achieve a good result, I feel a bit embarrassed that my APS came good pretty quickly.

The big trick now is to keep the strain pure, long lived & popular amongst other growers. Sometimes these things can be a flash in a pan that are lost almost as quickly as they appear.
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: aftermidnight on July 01, 2014, 03:31:09 PM
Update, after reading everyones comments here and on the thread about them in Fruits and Vegetables I went out to have a look at my Aeron Purple Stars, I couldn't believe my eyes I had to go in and get my yardstick. The last time I looked closely at them a couple of days ago they were at the 2 foot mark, I thought then, not bad for only starting them on May 28. WOW!!! they've grown over 2 feet in two days and yes, I can see the little bumps in the leaf axils where the flowers are forming  Grin2:-). The poor little Chinese Red Noodles are hiding their heads in shame next to them. I've grown lots of different runners in the past but have never seen growth like this. Can hardly wait for the flowers to appear and then... the first taste.

Annette
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on July 01, 2014, 06:14:46 PM
Tee-hee  :-)snigger

You REALLY have no idea how proud it makes me feel when people write things like that about my beans!!!  Blush:-(

I TOLD you they were vigorous didn't I?  HTT:-}


I'm going to have to collect all this feedback and put it on a 'Review' section on my APS page - it makes me feel like a dog with btwo tails!!  CW ;-)

THANKS Annette!
  ThU432:-)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: wonky on July 07, 2014, 11:08:05 AM
First sighting of tiny pods on Sunday! All plants looking healthy and vigorous and stacks of red flowers. I keep peeping over the neighbouring fences but can't see any other runners with the same vigour.  clap:-)  Fingers crossed for the first tasting!

wonky. 
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on July 07, 2014, 11:29:38 AM
Fantastic Wonky. They look REALLY healthy too! My Aeron Purple Stars are certainly making an impression.

I'm SO pleased with all this positive feedback. They seem to be living up to everyone's expectations based on what I've said about them in the past. I think they will become a firm favourite. It makes all that work of breeding them such an absolute pleasure for me.

Wait till you taste them - they'll blow you away  ROL :-))
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Westheathdave on July 07, 2014, 11:33:06 AM
 clap:-) Wow well done mate they look great far better than mine this year. they look like mine did last year.  ThU32:-)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Poppa Tommo on July 07, 2014, 11:56:31 AM
They look great, Wonky, about the same as mine. Looking forward to tasting the real thing after all this positive hype.

Your other stuff in the background is looking excellent too - your sweetcorn is well ahead of mine.
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: spuds on July 11, 2014, 06:36:48 PM
here's me beans !!! picked this morning  and a few spuds
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Westheathdave on July 12, 2014, 12:24:08 AM
 clap:-) Nice crop there Spuds nice photo but a bit on the large size for easy viewing do not know whether you got a photo programme on computer, if you have reduce the size of it down to about 900 pixels for the largest size.

I have resized it for you as below.
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Poppa Tommo on July 12, 2014, 12:27:57 AM
Very nice. I like to pick my beans a bit younger than that.
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: spuds on July 12, 2014, 10:18:38 AM
Hi
KT I like to pick sooner but to busy with other things at the mo , garden flower judging takes place next week so watering /feeding/dead heading keeps me busy plus took a chimney  down off the bungalow yesterday that was fun   
westteathdave when you have time could you put an easy to follow way of down sizing photos please
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: galina on July 12, 2014, 10:34:49 AM
Hi
KT I like to pick sooner but to busy with other things at the mo , garden flower judging takes place next week so watering /feeding/dead heading keeps me busy plus took a chimney  down off the bungalow yesterday that was fun   
westteathdave when you have time could you put an easy to follow way of down sizing photos please

I right click on a picture, 'open with' comes up as an option.  I open with Microsoft Office Picture Manager,  click 'edit pictures',  then either use the 'resize' or 'compress'  functions to make your pictures smaller.   

Don't know whether you have the same software.  There are many other ways of doing it and many other photograph editing programs, for example 'Photoshop' etc.  But they all allow you to resize photos. 
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Westheathdave on July 12, 2014, 11:46:08 AM
Hi
KT I like to pick sooner but to busy with other things at the mo , garden flower judging takes place next week so watering /feeding/dead heading keeps me busy plus took a chimney  down off the bungalow yesterday that was fun   
westteathdave when you have time could you put an easy to follow way of down sizing photos please

I right click on a picture, 'open with' comes up as an option.  I open with Microsoft Office Picture Manager,  click 'edit pictures',  then either use the 'resize' or 'compress'  functions to make your pictures smaller.   

Don't know whether you have the same software.  There are many other ways of doing it and many other photograph editing programs, for example 'Photoshop' etc.  But they all allow you to resize photos.

 :-Yes  Thanks Galina you beat me to it.   ThU:-)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Poppa Tommo on July 12, 2014, 06:47:47 PM
Hi
KT I like to pick sooner but to busy with other things at the mo ,

Well just out of curiosity I left a couple of these APS on until they started to become purple....and, I thought, 'we'll soon see how stringless they are'. Bugger me if they aren't completely stringless and as sweet and lovely as a first kiss.

We  have  some Brummy friends (you'll understand, Dave) staying at the mo' and they all raved about the APS. Well that's good enough for me. They are now my bean of choice.
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on July 13, 2014, 12:28:47 AM
I am becoming overwhelmed with pride for my babies. I can say these things until I'm blue in the face, but as the breeder it doesn't count. But when I get feed-back like that Tommo - it brings a tear to my eye!

THANK YOU!


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Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: scary crow on July 13, 2014, 09:16:47 PM
Picked my first handful of APS there for dinner tomorrow not just the beans we have meat to go with them  lol(1).And im glad to say that my tickiling with a paintbrush to hand pollinate my APS beans has worked and I have beans coming so im well pleased with that as it,s my first attempt at trying that so some 100% pure beans for next season  CThUpD:-)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on July 14, 2014, 12:27:00 AM
I'll know where to come to top up my APS bean seed stocks come the autumn  ThU32:-)

Enjoyable and very rewarding isn't it? Being an artificial inseminator (well pollinator but inseminator sounds far more intimate!)!!  what:-o
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Btoe on July 14, 2014, 08:05:57 AM
That's the first sighting of tiny pods for me Gee I counted around 8-9 and quite a lot of nice flowers so looking good here... ThU5:-)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: wonky on July 14, 2014, 11:47:50 AM
Whilst out on the slug hunt last night couldn't help but notice that one of my APS pods was already about 5 inches long still only about a quarter inch across. Temptation was too great and into the tummy it went! Sweet, crunchy, juicy - very promising starting taste - shouldn't be much longer before there are some ready for the pot as well!!

wonky.
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on July 14, 2014, 03:58:40 PM
That's the first sighting of tiny pods for me Gee I counted around 8-9 and quite a lot of nice flowers so looking good here... ThU5:-)

BRILLIANT Bigtoe!  CW ;-)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on July 14, 2014, 04:01:01 PM
Whilst out on the slug hunt last night couldn't help but notice that one of my APS pods was already about 5 inches long still only about a quarter inch across. Temptation was too great and into the tummy it went! Sweet, crunchy, juicy - very promising starting taste - shouldn't be much longer before there are some ready for the pot as well!!

wonky.

 cwl:-] You GANNET! Fancy giving in that easy!!!!

You won't be disappointed when you introduce them to the pot - I promise!  ThU:-)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: scary crow on July 14, 2014, 08:40:56 PM
I'll know where to come to top up my APS bean seed stocks come the autumn  ThU32:-)

Enjoyable and very rewarding isn't it? Being an artificial inseminator (well pollinator but inseminator sounds far more intimate!)!!  what:-o


Oh great being a artificial inseminator so rewarding when you see those little beans appearing ....Also ate my first pick of APS tonite very nice they are aswell picked them young as i was desperate to try have loads of beans on my plants and smothered in flowers .....
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on July 14, 2014, 10:44:25 PM
Oh great being a artificial inseminator so rewarding when you see those little beans appearing ....Also ate my first pick of APS tonite very nice they are aswell picked them young as i was desperate to try have loads of beans on my plants and smothered in flowers .....

YESSSSS - another satisfied convert!! And an inseminator to boot!!  ROL :-))

I can die happy now in the knowledge that my Aeron Purple Stars will live on after me in a safe and steady pair of hands with a pollinating brush!
  CThUpD:-)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Westheathdave on July 14, 2014, 11:37:41 PM


Oh great being a artificial inseminator so rewarding when you see those little beans appearing ....Also ate my first pick of APS tonite very nice they are aswell picked them young as i was desperate to try have loads of beans on my plants and smothered in flowers .....
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Nice one scary you have done Gee proud, if you got any spare seeds from the current crop when you collect seeds I would be grateful if you could spare 20 for me as mine not so good as last year.  ThU32:-)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Poppa Tommo on July 15, 2014, 04:22:47 PM
If needed I can add to the seed bank as I don't have another variety growing and have no neighbours withing 1/2 a mile or more who are growing runners so mine should stay true.
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on July 15, 2014, 04:51:55 PM
If needed I can add to the seed bank as I don't have another variety growing and have no neighbours withing 1/2 a mile or more who are growing runners so mine should stay true.

That's FANTASTIC Tommo! With your bees & no other runners for a good distance away you should be able to supply pretty guaranteed seeds to the APS seed bank. That's brilliant news! Are you happy to supply bean seeds for the requests I receive? I had nearly a hundred requests last year - although some of those will probably use their own saved seeds for next year. But I envisage a lot of new ones coming along to replace them.

We'll have to arrange something between us for later on.

The same applies to you scary - can you do the same? Because yours should be pure as well.  clap:-)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: spuds on July 15, 2014, 08:19:09 PM
KT put on the top of your list for aps seed please chrs:-)
picked a load more today  ThU432:-)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Poppa Tommo on July 15, 2014, 10:14:36 PM
If needed I can add to the seed bank as I don't have another variety growing and have no neighbours withing 1/2 a mile or more who are growing runners so mine should stay true.

That's FANTASTIC Tommo! With your bees & no other runners for a good distance away you should be able to supply pretty guaranteed seeds to the APS seed bank. That's brilliant news! Are you happy to supply bean seeds for the requests I receive?

Be delighted to...the whole world should be growing these bad boys. In fact I will dedicate another end cane to the cause. Let's see how we get on towards the end of the season. Actually the ones I am growing won't have been picked at all so should finish early while the weather is still warm. I am doing the same with the CToT and they are in a completely different part of the holding.
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: scary crow on July 15, 2014, 11:01:28 PM
The same applies to you scary - can you do the same? Because yours should be pure as well.  clap:-)


If i have any spares im more than willing have a few interested growers here already ...Im also going to try and keep my rooted beans alive and see if they sprout and grow next season that will save a few bean seeds here ..
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on July 16, 2014, 01:15:20 AM
You're a pal scary!  HTT:-}

If the take-up continues the way it took off last year (the first year I've offered them to anyone outside my little circle of triallers), then I'm going to need help to keep up with demand!

My guess is a lot will keep their own seeds, but whether they keep them 'pure' is something else. What will probably happen is they'll grow them for a few years then find that due to genetic dilution they'll gradually become mongrels. That'll be when some will want new stocks. We'll see. I really don't want to hand them over to a commercial concern preferring to keep them amongst amateur growers like ourselves.
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Poppa Tommo on July 16, 2014, 06:41:03 AM
I'm not sure how you can stop some 'commercial concern' getting wind of the APS strain. I bet they monitor forums like this one. If they get their hands on some seeds they could simply grow their own, re-name them and sell them. This happens with tomatoes a lot. You can find the same tomatoes badged under different names (e.g. Gardeners Delight is often sold as Sugar Lump, Sugar Cherry etc).

Is there any way you could stop them from doing this, short of registering the hybridisation and DNA of the APS strain?
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on July 16, 2014, 12:19:10 PM
I have nightmares when nit comes to that Tommo! I really don't know what to do for the best. On the one hand I don't want greedy commercial growers to get their hands on them, but on the other hand I want as many as possible 'amateur' cultivators to grow them.

Has anyone researched the way this could be avoided? E.g. what's involved in the process of registration and how great is the cost? I really can't think of any other way to do it. At the moment they're totally unprotected. From my point of view it's like leaving the crown jewels unlocked & unguarded in the tower of London. It's a quandary.

The one thing I'm pretty sure of is that these are the only runner beans with purple pods, and I've pretty exhaustively hunted for others. There's plenty of purple podded French beans but not runners.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Btoe on July 16, 2014, 01:17:43 PM
Whatt about this Big Gee http://www.ipo.gov.uk/types/patent/p-applying/p-before/p-otherprotect/p-plantbreeders.htm would this be any use?? HTT:-}
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Poppa Tommo on July 16, 2014, 01:28:58 PM
That's a good link, Mr. Toe and well worth exploring.

Now I come to think of it I notice that the firm, Lubera, for example state their intellectual rights for protecting their new varieties against unlawful propagation and copying in seed and plant catalogues.

I really do think you ought to do something, Gee, as I hate to imagine one of the corporates cashing in on all your hard work.

I'll ask my barister friend if she knows anything about it when she comes back from her hol's.
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on July 16, 2014, 01:36:28 PM
That's fantastic my friends.  YRTB

Excellent link Btoe & Tommo if you can glean a bit of free info. from your friend that would be a real bonus!
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: aftermidnight on July 16, 2014, 08:35:29 PM
Gee,  until you get this sorted out and when I have enough seed to share I'll only share with those I trust and with your stipulations or they don't get any. I've got a pet peeve about big corporations and what they try to get away with, they really put a bee in my bonnet to be polite  Angry:-{.

Annette
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on July 16, 2014, 08:59:43 PM
Thanks Annette - me too - I hate big corporations with a vengence!
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: aftermidnight on July 18, 2014, 04:31:59 PM
 what:-{...I just went out and had a close look at the Aeron Purple Star's, yes, I had to give my head a shake. I've got beans forming, this was not expected as we've been going through a bit of a heat wave for about a week now, nights are a smidgen cooler tho... Most of the beans I'm growing will either not form flowers or if they do they won't make beans when the temp hits the 80's and 90's.
 
What I have done is hit them with a sprinkler after supper to cool them down a bit. Most of runner's I've grown with the exception of Insuk's Wang Kong sulk big time when the weather warms up, just sit and sulk.
 
Gee  :-)=, you really do have a winner here. After everyone's comments I can hardly wait to taste them.

Annette
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: wonky on July 20, 2014, 08:49:17 PM
My very first APS picked at 5pm and on the table at 6pm. Do they live up to all the hype and expectations?
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They sure do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Topped and tailed there was nothing else to remove. Cooked in no time at all and no hint of the dreaded stringy stuff at all. Well done G a great runner!  clap:-)  clap:-)  clap:-)  clap:-)  clap:-)  clap:-)  clap:-)  clap:-)  clap:-)  clap:-)  clap:-)  clap:-)  clap:-)  clap:-)  clap:-)  clap:-)  clap:-)  clap:-)

wonky.
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on July 20, 2014, 09:58:06 PM
Woo-hoo and ANOTHER satisfied customer!!

This is turning into a peek at heaven for me! Not ONE negative feedback so far & although I knew how good they are - to have others endorse that is brilliant! It's the first year they've been grown by anyone - apart from the handful of triallers that I used to test them out, and so far it's going EXACTLY the way I had hoped.

It looks like South Yorkshire is good for them as well then Wonky! I don't think there's anywhere that doesn't suit them judging by the response from all over.

I feel like a dog with two tails!!

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Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Poppa Tommo on July 20, 2014, 11:10:36 PM
Everyone we have had in to share these have been delighted and amazed at how tender they are. Yes, I agree, Wonky, they seem to ck to tender in half the time of 'normal' runners.

My 86 year old mother phoned me up yesterday to request some more of the runner beans when her neighbours (who are currently staying with us) return home. She also wants me to save her some seed for next year.
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Westheathdave on July 21, 2014, 12:10:17 AM
 clap:-) the beans have come on a bundle not seen em for nearly 2 weeks. Wow they sure have surprised me.
The last photo are the replacement beans to fill gap at end as in next post.
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Westheathdave on July 21, 2014, 12:15:16 AM
To continue the gap followed by filled gap then a shot of onions.
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Poppa Tommo on July 21, 2014, 07:27:52 AM
Good pic's of your stuff there, Dave. Isn't it great when you start eating your own veg. I lived in Brum for the best part of 25 years and had allotments for all of that time before moving down here. I've been in a Devon or 5 years and forgot just how brown the midlands soil is.
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on July 21, 2014, 09:05:01 AM
See? Told you you'd catch up Dave - when you were getting fractious about starting late this year. Those APS beans seem to like their spot up there in the Midlands. Probably feels like 'home from home' for then considering that was one of the spots where they were 'trialled'.  CThUpD:-)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: fergie Phil on July 25, 2014, 09:20:42 PM
Mine are just  starting to go purple around the edges, they are about 6ins long . looks like I will have a good crop
 ThU32:-)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Westheathdave on July 25, 2014, 09:49:45 PM
 :-Yes Picked the first beans today wow do they grow quick. Here is a photo of em.  ThU32:-)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Poppa Tommo on July 25, 2014, 10:47:56 PM
Great stuff...you wait 'til you taste them.
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on July 26, 2014, 12:50:23 AM
Mine are just  starting to go purple around the edges, they are about 6ins long . looks like I will have a good crop
 ThU32:-)

Hi Phil! Great to see you back  ThU432:-)

How's the health these days mate?

Glad to see you're well enough to grow some beans - you'll DEFINATELY have a good crop - the weather's right & the bean variety is right!  CThUpD:-)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on July 26, 2014, 12:53:15 AM
:-Yes Picked the first beans today wow do they grow quick. Here is a photo of em.  ThU32:-)

Nice one Dave - see you're STILL picking beans at the same time as the rest of us - despite your late start. I keep on saying it, it's not always the hares that win on the lottie, the old tortoise often pips them to the line  CW ;-)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Poppa Tommo on July 26, 2014, 08:48:48 PM
Just a quick question:
Is it normal to have an APS seed grow out as a non- purple one that produces green pods to a large size and with some stringiness? In other words, almost the opposite to the APS. One of mine seems to have done this. Shall I weed it out as it might contaminate the purity of the others?
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on July 27, 2014, 12:25:16 AM
That's VERY interesting Tommo. That's the reason why I trialled the APS beans for three years to see if they came true - i.e. whether they would produce the occasional genetic throwback. In all my trials (and they were spread out and conducted by various growers in different areas) not one reported a throwback or any instability, they seemed to be 'true' and reproduced faithfully. I found the same with my own stock. However, the one you've just described could either be a throwback - although I tend to doubt that, although there is a rather 'course' variety in the breeding line (the Salford Black), it's only been introduced to help with the colouring, not the texture, the Salford Black can be quite stringy at maturity, but the other varieties in the APS's genetic mix drown out that trait completely. More likely, it's the product of a stray cross pollination. I'm almost 100% sure my own stock did not cross pollinate, because I take extreme care to protect my breeding stock from contact with any other runners. However, because of the demand I experienced for the beans last autumn, I did get some back from a couple of triallers, whether one of them had a stray cross pollination - I don't know - although they were all pretty reliable growers.

I would definately turf it out Tommo. It could spoil the seed stock that you will produce, and as you are in an isolated location, you are the perfect source to reproduce the APS faithfully. In fact I was earmarking you as the possible biggest contributor to my own stock - if the demand is again as great as it was for this season.

How many plants do you have producing and is there just one plant that has produced the 'foreigners'?

As a point of interest, my mate Stephen has a pinkish-white beetroot growing in the middle of his row of Bolthardy. It has light green leaves and has no trace of the usual wine coloured tinges you normally get on Bolthardy. It came in the same packet, but is obviously different. Whether that is a genetic throwback or the product of cross pollination we don't know, but the scenario is very similar to the one you described with your rogue APS plant.
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Poppa Tommo on July 27, 2014, 07:58:11 AM
Thanks for that, Gee, I sowed yours later than the ones I do for sale and within a day of receiving them so I know that I didn't introduce a foreigner into the mix.

There is only 1 stray and I will winkle it out today. You sent me 18 seeds - I gave 1 to a friend and all 17 of mine flew out of the pots in record time. So I have 17 plants ( soon to be 16).

Unlike your friend's Boltardy with the obvious leaf colours I can't tell the difference between this stray and the others until AFTER flowers have been set and the bean has grown to large enough to see any colour change, so, theoretically, it could well have contaminated its neighbours. Luckily I have a good number of the true purple ones very low down on the other plants at the far end of the row away from this one so hopefully I should get some 'proper' seed.

Also, after this one is removed there will be many unopened flowers left yet to set. I will tie some string just below these unset flowers so that I will know where uncontaminated seed will then develop and I can select from there  ThU5:-). It will be from these that I can contribute to your seed bank if needed.

Ruth and I are still experimenting with how far you can go with the beans and their edible qualities. I picked a load yesterday for the freezer which included very large, purple ones that were overlooked in previous pickings, amazingly they are still stringless and still sweet tasting (no roughness and that bitterness edging in that you get with 'normal' runners). It don't get any better than that.
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on July 27, 2014, 05:15:28 PM
YRTB Tommo!  :))

It sounds as if the 'foreigner' came from me, whether it was one I grew (very unlikely) or from a mate of mine - more likely. As I said, I did collect quite a few from outside sources towards the end of the season last year because my stocks were getting critically low, so I needed some help to fulfill as many requests as possible so as not to disappoint anyone. Thankfully no one else has reported any 'strangers' in their camps!

It sounds as if you've got things covered there Tommo! I doubt if you've got much contamination, besides, it's so early in the season that the ones you'll allow to mature for seed stock will be from a later batch of flowers - which should be totally safe.

I'm made up that I've found a responsible & knowledgeable grower who is so isolated - it makes things so much easier. It's a struggle for me because I have every Tom, Dick & Harry growing other varieties in the vicinity so I have to go to great lengths to isolate mine. Scary is also isolating his crop and hand pollinating, so hopefully between us (especially you) we will be able to keep the strain 'clean' for the future. I'm toying with the idea of finding a really isolated field somewhere that I can cajole a farmer to allow me the space to grow a double row in a corner somewhere that will not get visited by our pollen carrying little friends from another source.

I'm also thrilled to pieces at the feedback regarding the culinary quality of my beans. I've also experimented with 'old' pods in the past, and have found they keep their stringlessness right up to the point where the beans are ready to pop out of their pods. That's quite a rarity with any other variety, and as they maintain their sweetness as well then I really think the jackpot has been hit!

I MUST set about the task of protecting my rights to them. I'm getting cold shivers that they'll get stolen, and a further shiver when I contemplate how expensive that exercise of registering them might be.  spf:-(


Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: scary crow on July 27, 2014, 09:26:49 PM
Thankfully no one else has reported any 'strangers' in their camps!

Hello Big Gee I think I have a couple of strangers in camp here the beans have grown longer and have no tinge of purple at all and have a little stringiness about them on closer studies I think the flowers are just not that deep red of the aps ...My isolated ones are looking good at the moment ..
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on July 27, 2014, 10:18:51 PM
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Et tu, Brute?!!

Sh*t!

That settles it then - it MUST be a cross pollinated plant that produced the pod that those beans were in. As the characteristics are the same as Tommy described it must be the same pod(s) that your beans were taken from. I REALLY hope the fallout is limited.

Same advice as Tommy Scary. Keep them away from your good ones or if you can afford to - destroy them. As you have some others isolated they should not be a problem.

Sorry about that fellas. It looks like a cross pollination as apposed to a throwback, (which is good) otherwise the 'foreigners' wouldn't all be the same.
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: scary crow on July 27, 2014, 10:39:28 PM
Yes will do gee was going to post about this the other night but had a splitting headache so went to bed early and tommy beat me to it ..  Have my isolated seeds so hoping they are going to be pure there looking good at the moment and still have some bean seeds left from what you gifted to me as I dident want to grow them all and have all my eggs in one basket as they say as with the late frosts we get here there has been growers that have lost everything ..
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Poppa Tommo on July 27, 2014, 11:16:53 PM
Rest assured - I uprooted the little infiltrators within minutes of your reply. There was an audible sigh of relief amongst the purebreds so we should be alright.
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on July 28, 2014, 12:04:57 PM
Yes will do gee was going to post about this the other night but had a splitting headache so went to bed early and tommy beat me to it ..  Have my isolated seeds so hoping they are going to be pure there looking good at the moment and still have some bean seeds left from what you gifted to me as I dident want to grow them all and have all my eggs in one basket as they say as with the late frosts we get here there has been growers that have lost everything ..

THANKS Scary! I knew I could rely on you.

It's been bad weather for headaches - all the stifling heat & humidity, keep yorself well 'watered' mate, it's often a bit of dehydration that causes the headaches. Hope you're better now. It's a bit fresher here today - so a little healthier as well!
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on July 28, 2014, 12:07:52 PM
Rest assured - I uprooted the little infiltrators within minutes of your reply. There was an audible sigh of relief amongst the purebreds so we should be alright.

 ROL :-)) That'll teach 'em!!

Don't like to promote racism, but in the case of the 'purplebreds' they need a bit of racial protection!!!  cwl:-]
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Westheathdave on July 28, 2014, 11:36:33 PM
 usf:-( That's a real shame having a few rogues in the camp but thankfully should not be a big problem with all these experts around who know what to do when things not quite as they should be. Well done chaps.  ThU32:-)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: surbie100 on August 04, 2014, 12:53:44 PM
Not had the best experience so far am sorry to say.

I had 7 beans, 1 failed, 1 is dismal and the other 5 have a lot of leaf issues and aren't setting. The pod that did set had no hint of any colour other than green. Though it tasted nice.

I've not grown runners before, due to being forced to eat huge hairy beans as a child, and am not growing anything other than APS.

 :(

Pics etc are on my post on John Harrison's place - I can't download to where I am at the minute to re-upload here.

http://chat.allotment-garden.org/index.php?topic=116156.0 (http://chat.allotment-garden.org/index.php?topic=116156.0)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on August 04, 2014, 02:36:55 PM
I'm really sorry to hear that surbie100. Welcome to the FARDENERS CHAT-SHED by the way!

As you can see, I've only received ONE negative feedback for my Aeron Purple Star beans, and I've shared a few thousand with others. Negative feedback always has a habit of turning up before positive (good) feedback - so I doubt if there are many out there who are disappointed but have not come back to me.

I've sent you a PM off the A4A forum with my e-mail address so that you can send me some photos (or you can attach them to your reply post here as we have that facility). As I said in that PM & the reply post I left for your comment on that forum, I honestly believe that your problem does not lie with the beans. They have been selectively bred for a few years and have been thoroughly trialled - so I know they are stable. You also remark in your post on the other forum that your plot neighbour who is also growing my APS beans does not seem to have similar problems, and his bean pods are developing the familiar maroon flushing and will therefore go on to produce purple pods. You also say that his bean plants look healthy and 'normal'.

As I said in my PM to you, given the fact that you are using composted horse manure, I would check out whether that manure is contaminated, as reports of weedkiller damage across many allotments and some gardens in the UK have been traced back to farmyard and stable manures that have been contaminated with  aminopyralid.

Clopyralid, found in certain lawn weedkillers as well as agricultural products causes contamination through exposed animals' faeces. It gives very similar symptoms on culnerable crops to those you have desceibed. Typical symptoms recorded when contaminated manure is used includes (quote) "cupped leaves and fern-like growth on sensitive plants. The shoot tips become pale, narrow and distorted, with prominent veining on the foliage. Growth generally is stunted, leaving most crops unusable". That quote was taken from the RHS web-site dealing with the problem

(https://www.rhs.org.uk/advice/profile?pid=477 (https://www.rhs.org.uk/advice/profile?pid=477)) 


The systemic herbicide mentioned above binds strongly to plant material which, when consumed by horses as  hay or haylage, can pass through the animals without breaking down. Manure from animals fed on treated grass contains chemical residues sufficient to damage susceptible crops. Not all plants are susceptinble by the way - legumes are particularly susceptible - hence the reason why other crops being grown in the same medium may not show the same symptoms.

I'd be very interested to hear what your eventual findings are. It's a bit late in the season to get more bean seeds to you this year, but you're welcome to request more for next season by going to this URL address:


http://aeronvale-allotments.org.uk/aeronpurplestar (http://aeronvale-allotments.org.uk/aeronpurplestar)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: surbie100 on August 04, 2014, 05:09:50 PM
Well, I've been in touch with the garden centre manager who is categoric that the manure doesn't contain weedkiller. The company tests for it, they only produce this manure, the GC shifts an incredible amount of it per year and I'm the first person to call in 3 years to query it. (3 years ago there were a lot of complaints about weedkiller residues)

That leaves me with a virus, either seed- or pest-borne. Either way the plants are being binned if radical defoliating doesn't sort it out. I don't want any of my other beans getting whatever this is - they are all lovely and performing their socks off. In the same stuff & bed the runners are in. 

As I said before, I didn't write this for more beans, but just to let you know what's happened. It's odd that I have this and my neighbour doesn't.

That's veg-growing for you!
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on August 05, 2014, 02:08:15 AM
Don't worry surbie100, I didn't for a minute think that it was a ploy by you to get more seeds - after all I give them out free to amateur gardeners & you can have more any time you want. I hope I didn't give you the impression that I was accusing you of that.

All I'm trying to do is explain that I think the problem lies at your end (whatever that problem may be) I DON'T think it has anything to do with the APS beans - for the reasons I've previously explained in detail. I only suggested that the horse manure might have been to blame because the symptoms you described are very similar to the symptoms that others have experienced with contaminated horse manure. It could be a myriad of other things. The fact that not ONE recipient of the thousands of bean seeds I despatched last year (apart from you) have mentioned any problems like those you've experienced suggests that it's not the bean seeds that are at fault. To have it happen to ALL your bean plants underlines further the likelihood that the beans themselves are not the culprits, but something to do with the medium they are planted in or the environment they are growing in.

Photos would help to get to the bottom of the problem. I can't get into John Harrison's forum to view your photos - you'd better ask him why that is. So if you still have the photos on your computer then why not upload them here for us all to see what your problem is? Maybe between us we can solve it for you.
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Poppa Tommo on August 05, 2014, 08:13:39 AM
Funny old stuff, soil.

As most people on here know, I love my tomatoes. I  have two greenhouses - one is 38ft by 14ft and the growing space in the 24ft by 8ft greenhouse is 12ft by 8ft so as you can see there is plenty of tomato space.

I divided the large greenhouse into 4 distinct zones so that I can rotate the tomatoes around with chillies, cucurbits physalis and sometimes yard long beans. Everything grows really well each year.

So what's the point of telling you this? Well, there is a patch in there, no bigger than 6ft by 4ft where tomatoes will not thrive. They are stunted, weedy and set very few fruits. All the soils get exactly the same dressings of exactly the same rotted cow dung, fish blood and bone meal with a bit extra bone meal and all plants are watered through the same irrigation pipes on the same timer. Once a week (Sunday) they all get exactly the same organic liquid comfrey feed.

There is no  doubt in my mind that it something underlying in the soil and nothing to do with the seed. Perhaps water is puddling under there, perhaps it is too dry, who knows but short of digging out a ton of soil to find out, I don't' s uppose I will ever know. I intend to put a raised bed over it and grow bush currant or bush cherry tomatoes there and then winter salads when the tom's have finished.

So, Surbie100, I have a tendency to go with Gees suggestion that it is environmental rather than genetic.
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on August 05, 2014, 11:36:54 AM
Interesting point that about soil Tommo. It never ceases to amaze me how you can have subtle variations in pockets of soil in a compratively small area. And even tiny areas like within borders in polytunnels & greenhouses - as you've described.

I have a 260m2 plot and not only do I notice variations (as many keen observers do on their plots) when it comes to the performance of different crops in different 'pockets' but within an area of such relativeley small space you can also get temperature, moisture & soil make-up variations - almost like micro, micro climates on a plot, with areas that remain colder all year round. I even have wind effect differences on my plot. Getting it all right can be an art form at times!

I'm 80% sure that the key to surbie100's problem with her runner beans is down to the medium they are growing in at that location on her site. The telling factor is that her plot neighbour - using identical beans is not suffering the same problems. What doesn't make me 100% sure is that it could be a disease (possibly a virus) that is effecting the growth of those beans. However I am 100% sure that it is not the genetic make-up of the beans. One or two plants - a very slight possibility - but ALL the plants? I don't think so.
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: surbie100 on August 05, 2014, 05:23:33 PM
Am guessing it's bean mosaic virus. I am 90% it's not the soil or the compost because of the results with other beans either directly next to them or further along the same bed. Whether it was the seeds or pest-borne is a bit academic. It could easily be either. There is no way you could have seen if the seeds had  a virus either. 2 of the plants are binned, 2 are defoliated of any unnatural leaves and the one throwing out green-only beans is fine. I guess if I had a bigger group of plants it would be easier to see - but this was a test to see if I liked eating runner beans.

However I do still have a LOT of other beans and will likely still get some runners, so this isn't a big issue. As you'll have seen from the allotment-garden forum there are a few others with not entirely positive reviews, but I don't think that any of us are that bothered - it's all about trying new things.

Hope all goes well with the rest of the harvests.
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on August 14, 2014, 06:01:53 PM
I'll send you another dozen beans at the end of the season.

It's not really 'academic' for me surbie100 - I can't accept that the blame is possibly the beans. Thousands have been sent out. All the beans were mixed up (to provide genetic variation) and you seem to think the 7 you planted were ALL diseased. Not only is that beyond the realms of credibility - as I've had NO similar negative feedback from the hundreds of other growers who have grown the beans very successfully, but it casts a shadow over my reputation. Whether you have LOTS of other beans is immaterial. However you did say that this was the first time you have attempted to grow runner beans - so that must be a factor to be taken into consideration as well. Then you tell me that your plot neighbour who has also planted my Aeron Purple Star beans is experiencing no problems at all. I think those details speak for themselves.

As for seeing what's on the allotment garden forum run by Harrison - no I can't. He (or someone who runs the forum with him) have banned me from the site - for reasons better known to themselves. I'm certainly not going to lose sleep over that infantile action, all he/she have done is deprived the members of that forum of the opportunity to try the beans which were being offered out of pure kindness and a desire to promote the allotment movement and not to promote my selectively bred beans. I don't gain in any way from growers taking up my offer - I make no profit from them (in fact I'm out of pocket). Obviously you've missed that point altogether. You've also failed to grasp the spirit in which they were made available to you. Whether you choose to grow my beans is of absolutely no concern to me, BUT I do resent the insinuation that my beans are inferior based on the feedback you alone have provided. Perhaps the whole issue has something to do with petty jealousies which are possibly also at the root of why the allotment garden forum you are associated with chose to act in the way they did when the beans were freely offered to their members. I placed similar posts on other forums and the members of those forums - without exception - have reacted in a totally different way, the forum administrators of those forums have welcomed the opportunity offered to their members.
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: aftermidnight on August 14, 2014, 08:04:47 PM
Hi Gee,  just a little update, your APS's although not planted in the most ideal conditions, (wait till next year :), are producing a fair amount of runners, the heat wave we were in didn't help matters either, I do have a few curlies, but on the whole I'm extremely pleased with the way they are growing for me. I only planted 4 seeds leaving the rest for next year when I can do a bang up preparation for them. The earlier ones are turning a black purple, these have been marked for seed. I wait till the end of the season and if there are a few that aren't going to make seed I'll do the taste test :). Since I don't have the knack of posting pictures here I'll email you a couple of pictures of ones I've tagged for seed, mine aren't as long as yours but hey I think they're pretty good seeing they were planted at the last minute with no soil prep. I measured them and they are not quite 12" long if you take the bit of curve out of them. I can hardly wait for next year see what they do giving them proper care.

Annette
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on August 14, 2014, 10:46:58 PM
BRILLIANT!  ThU32:-)

Glad to hear it Annette. Considering how late they were put in I think you're doing very well. The heat hasn't been the biggest friend of runners over here this year either - hence the 'curliness' of the pods earlier in the season, however they seem to have straightened out by now.

Yes by all means send your photos to me by mail. I'll PM my e-mail address to you. If you send them over I'll post them on  on here for you (you do the words & leave the blanks & I'll fill them with your photos!). I'm sure we'd all love to see them.  ThU5:-)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Poppa Tommo on August 14, 2014, 10:48:54 PM
Yep, I would.
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: aftermidnight on August 14, 2014, 11:43:27 PM
Pictures sent, just of a couple of the beans tagged for seed. I couldn't get a picture of the 4 plants as they are tucked behind my pole of Emilia's Italian Pole beans. The hot spell seems to be over, it rained yesterday. If it goes like other years the temps should drop to the low to mid 70's, a welcome relief I don't do hot well.

Now that it has cooled down fingers crossed they'll start flowering again. Summers and falls are unpredictable here, we've had a killing frost the beginning of september but not very often. I'm hoping for a long indian summer, no frost until the end of october, early november.

Annette
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on August 15, 2014, 12:37:14 AM
Here's a copy of an e-mail I've received from Annette:



Hi Gee,

Here's a couple of pictures I took of your APS's this morning, maybe not as nice or as long as the ones in your picture but hey I think they look pretty darn good.


(http://gardenerschat-shed.net/forum/pics/aftermidnight_APS_pic-01.jpeg)    (http://gardenerschat-shed.net/forum/pics/aftermidnight_APS_pic-02.jpeg)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Poppa Tommo on August 15, 2014, 07:55:48 AM
As we say down yer in Zunny Deb'n: Aaanzum innum! (Ok, for those who don't speak Devonish it means 'They are rather handsome aren't they')

Next year's seed well on the way by the looks of it. Have you tried the flavour of them yet, Annette? Straight off the vine is best, that crisp, totally string free sweetness. Or, cook in half the time of other runners with a bit of salt and/or butter. Deeeelicious!
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on August 15, 2014, 05:30:34 PM
Out of interest surbie100 has posted a message for me on another forum. She now thinks that her bean failure is NOT down to my APS bean quality as she first assumed, BUT she believes now that it has been caused by the ''Southern Greenshield Bugs' (http://www.britishbugs.org.uk/heteroptera/Pentatomidae/nezara_viridula.html) that are apparently prevalant on bean crops on allotment sites in the London area. I just thought I'd clear that one up for everyone who's been reading this thread! So her crop failure she believes is down to this bug. That's a relief then!

She has also removed her membership from our forum because she believes she is goin "boggle-eyed" from reading too much information on too many gardening forums.  Grin2:-)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: aftermidnight on August 15, 2014, 05:50:25 PM
Tommy, so far I have resisted picking any, I want that seed :). I'm sure we will get a taste though but not until I know for sure the remaining beans won't have enough time to make seed. When preparing them how do you cut them, I usually french mine most of the time.

Annette
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Poppa Tommo on August 15, 2014, 11:05:45 PM
Well, Annette, I don't know what 'French cut' means. I used to Julienne mine on account of the need to remove strings, so I used one of those little de-stringers and shredder gizmos

(http://fork-handles.1091203.n5.nabble.com/file/n9247/bean-slicer.jpg)

With these APS beans that is totally unneccesary so we just do a diagonal slice so each piece is about 1 1/2 inches long. Cook em up, serve and enjoy.

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-gByPOciu_U0/Tl1MiKNSRgI/AAAAAAAABM8/SPkX0KPAg2g/s1600/photo+2.JPG)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Poppa Tommo on August 15, 2014, 11:08:56 PM
She has also removed her membership from our forum because she believes she is goin "boggle-eyed" from reading too much information on too many gardening forums.  Grin2:-)

As you say, Gee, it is a relief that she no longer blames your seeds, although we all knew that would be the case, whatever she thought originally.

Sad that she should prefer other sites than this one, I really don't think she knows what she is missing.
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on August 15, 2014, 11:16:08 PM
I'd like to know what 'French cut' means too. Excuse my ignorance but I don't even know what 'Julienne' means either  spf:-(

HI does them exactly like those on your plate Tommo. Me, being the more technical type, I just love to turn the handle on my slicer and watch them spew out at the other end! Mind you the cut is a bit thin!

Good fun with four year old grandsons!


(http://gardenerschat-shed.net/pics/lottie_13-8-13-15.jpg)

Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on August 15, 2014, 11:19:42 PM
She has also removed her membership from our forum because she believes she is goin "boggle-eyed" from reading too much information on too many gardening forums.  Grin2:-)

As you say, Gee, it is a relief that she no longer blames your seeds, although we all knew that would be the case, whatever she thought originally.

Sad that she should prefer other sites than this one, I really don't think she knows what she is missing.

Probably not - but I am a tad biased!!  CW ;-)

To be honest people have strange beliefs about loyalty, some believe they are only allowed to be a member of the first forum they joined - instead of tracking down the best one! Ah well her loss - not ours.
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Poppa Tommo on August 15, 2014, 11:21:42 PM
Julienne simply means to make little matchsticks out of them before cooking. Using a tool like this one and then cutting to length.

(http://lakelandcamel.scene7.com/is/image/LakelandCamel/13810_1?$380$)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on August 15, 2014, 11:32:15 PM
Not a day goes by that we don't learn something new eh? I won't have to feel embarassed about not knowing what 'Julienne' is now for the rest of my days!

Mind you my standard excuse is "I breed & grow 'em - YOU cook 'em baby"!
  ROL :-))
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Westheathdave on August 15, 2014, 11:37:22 PM
Not a day goes by that we don't learn something new eh? I won't have to feel embarassed about not knowing what 'Julienne' is now for the rest of my days!

Mind you my standard excuse is "I breed & grow 'em - YOU cook 'em baby"!
  ROL :-))
That makes two of us learnt something new.  RedFaced:-(
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Poppa Tommo on August 16, 2014, 07:53:31 AM

Mind you my standard excuse is "I breed & grow 'em - YOU cook 'em baby"!
  ROL :-))

HI once complained about having to prepare Sunday lunch all by herself when we had family round, "2 hours", she said, "I've been stuck in the kitchen".

"Is that all", says I, "it's taken me 3 months to get the veg' to the kitchen!" She doesn't complain now.

As you say, "I grow 'em you cook 'em".
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: aftermidnight on August 16, 2014, 10:04:42 AM
Julienne/french cut, same thing only once cut into long strips the strips aren't cut into shorter lengths. I have both that little gizmo and a hand crank thingmabob similar to the one Gee is using that does the job for me. I think you get more of that delicious runner bean flavour when they're cut lengthwise.  Just the thought of it is making my mouth water :).

Annette
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: lottieguy on August 16, 2014, 02:13:30 PM
Hi Ya, Well I bit the bullet and pulled some AVPR (Aeron Vale Purple Runners) that I had left for seed. BG told me I could dry them off the plant and so keep cropping others. I picked quite a few, some for dinner tonight aswell, and attached a photo of a selection of the longer ones. The board they are sitting on id 15" (38cm's) long so gives an idea of the length of the runners. What a happy little chap I are. Happy Gardening.
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on August 16, 2014, 02:52:24 PM
Wow! They like your soil lottieguy! Lovely display. I bet you'll be back after you taste them to tell us they are the sweetest, most tender & best tasting runners (with no strings) that you've ever experienced!!

Keep the pods from the best producing plant for your seed stock for next year. Make sure that the ones you pick for seed are fully mature though!  ThU:-)

 clap:-) Well done you! I just love it when a bit of joy is passed on to a fellow grower!
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Poppa Tommo on August 16, 2014, 11:04:18 PM
And joy it is too.

One of my veg plant customers who comes back each year is a friendly bloke (of about my age). He was asking me about strawberry runners yesterday so I took him down to my raised strawberry beds and showed him how I pot them on still attached to the 'mother' plants. Any way we got talking about veggies generally and the subject came round to runner beans.

Less than 10m away is my APS frame so I invited him to come and have a taste. You know how it is when you simply watch the eyes of someone who is just about to have skepticism obliterated with the first tasty crunch of this marvelous bean. That all too familiar smile involuntarily creeps across the lips and has to just give in to the fact that these are, indeed, special.

"Erm, I hope you don't mind me asking," he mumbles, eventually,  "but would you mind saving some seed for me for next year?"

He was even more surprised when I said, "yes, of course I will. These beans came to me with the proviso that they would be handed on to any genuine allotmenteer, free of charge."

I think I have just made another friend and it's all thanks to you, Gee. APS is now marching across Devon.
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on August 16, 2014, 11:58:53 PM
cwl:-] I hope they keep marching across Devon a long time after I'm pushing up the daisies Tommo!!  lol(1)

Wonderful feeling isn't it? You just can't put a price on it. Don't forget the other stipulation - apart from passing them on freely to any amateur growers is that the name Aeron Purple Star is preserved.

Thanks Tommo - you're a real pal mate, and you have the zeal of an evangelizer!  ThU32:-)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Poppa Tommo on August 17, 2014, 08:24:30 AM
cwl:-]  Don't forget the other stipulation - apart from passing them on freely to any amateur growers is that the name Aeron Purple Star is preserved.  ThU32:-)

Will do. He did ask the name of them and I will make sure that it is writ large on the packet I give him in the Spring. ThU5:-)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: lottieguy on August 17, 2014, 10:49:48 AM
Hi Ya, I might of goofed here. I pulled those in the photo early to dry out and save the seed. I waited and let the seed swell in them.  I thought if I left them on the plant they would stop producing. I did enjoy the ones I picked for dinner and am going back for more today along with my grandaughter. Happy gardening
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Westheathdave on August 25, 2014, 04:43:43 PM
Well Sunday morning 3 people I gave APS beans to came to me to say how pleased they were with the performance of the beans and how good they tasted and could they have some more for next year. I will pass the link G gave me on to them, I know one of them is on the web not sure about the other 2.
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on August 25, 2014, 04:55:27 PM
Thanks Dave! Thank your friends for their kind words as well. The more the merrier. Tell them to go to the Aeron Purple Star request page (http://aeronvale-allotments.org.uk/aeronpurplestar) or I can take their details from you.

I LOVE positive feedback  clap:-)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Westheathdave on October 21, 2014, 06:38:21 PM
Picked another load the weekend beauties they are to.
Been cutting em up most of afternoon here's a photo.
Got 10 bags for freezing
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on October 21, 2014, 07:14:06 PM
Nice one Dave - I'm amazed that you still have some that are still OK for eating at this late time of the year. All of mine have now gone past the 'kitchen' stage and are either shelled & drying ready for seed, or are mature and still ripening on the vines. The majority have been picked and should be ready for distributing to those who have requested seeds for next year in the next few weeks.

In fact the last of my vines put the handbrake on about three weeks ago, and their leaves have slowly gone yellow in the autumn cool. You must have had a bit of a longer season up there in the Midlands.
  ThU5:-)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Westheathdave on October 21, 2014, 08:41:42 PM
I think that will have been the last picking this year as tis going colder now so do not think any more will grow there are still some small ones on there and flowers to. It has been very mild here for weeks not had it very cold of a night for a long time, but I think that will change now gone quite cool tonight.
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Poppa Tommo on October 24, 2014, 07:41:29 AM
I'm stripping the last of my APS seed beans off today, and putting the pods in the drying racks.
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on October 24, 2014, 10:19:17 AM
If you can spare me a few hundred beans Tommo I would be really pleased - I should be able to cover all the requests for next season's sowings. At the moment my stock is about equal to the requests, so with a few from you I should be able to cover the demand, as there will always be a few stragglers that will send me requests between now and the spring.

Last year I had to turn a few away, this year for the first time I should be able to get away with not having to do that. If you've earmarked certain pods that are particularly good specimens for my core stock that would be great.  ThU5:-)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Toto in Oz on October 24, 2014, 03:49:44 PM
Can't wait to try them. Over the next few weeks I'll be planting my summer crops and that includes BEANS! Last summer was my best year for beans - 15lbs frozen, several jars canned, and plenty of give-aways to my neighbors and the couple that let me collect cow poo. I usually grow Kentucky Wonder but looking forward to something stringless.
It's been crazy hot here over the last few days, though the nights still get cold. But there are a ton of volunteer tomato plants all over the place so I figure if they don't mind the huge day/night temperature changes, the beans won't, either.
Had a pretty good broccoli crop this winter and the chard and kale are still going strong. The spinach is starting to bolt so need to pick that and make more spinach ravioli. The peas are setting pods and the pods on the broad beans are finally filling out. But those dang onions are taking forever. I've never been successful with onions and don't think I have the patience for them, especially since I have limited space and want that bed for other things. Have a dill plant that just sprung up in a bed, got a bit of shocking frost on it, then it went wild - the fullest dill plant I ever saw grow - like a huge, bushy fern. Got lettuce and carrot seeds germinated and in a few weeks it will be time to harvest the potatoes.
Goodbye winter! Hello Sprummer!
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on October 24, 2014, 05:07:47 PM
Can't wait to try them. Over the next few weeks I'll be planting my summer crops and that includes BEANS! Last summer was my best year for beans - 15lbs frozen, several jars canned, and plenty of give-aways to my neighbors and the couple that let me collect cow poo. I usually grow Kentucky Wonder but looking forward to something stringless.
It's been crazy hot here over the last few days, though the nights still get cold. But there are a ton of volunteer tomato plants all over the place so I figure if they don't mind the huge day/night temperature changes, the beans won't, either.
Had a pretty good broccoli crop this winter and the chard and kale are still going strong. The spinach is starting to bolt so need to pick that and make more spinach ravioli. The peas are setting pods and the pods on the broad beans are finally filling out. But those dang onions are taking forever. I've never been successful with onions and don't think I have the patience for them, especially since I have limited space and want that bed for other things. Have a dill plant that just sprung up in a bed, got a bit of shocking frost on it, then it went wild - the fullest dill plant I ever saw grow - like a huge, bushy fern. Got lettuce and carrot seeds germinated and in a few weeks it will be time to harvest the potatoes.
Goodbye winter! Hello Sprummer!

Sounds exciting Toto!

I've got you down for 12 beans. As soon as they're ready I'll try & get them over to you  ASAP ThU5:-)

I just hope I can sneak them past your customs guys
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Poppa Tommo on October 24, 2014, 11:09:10 PM
If you can spare me a few hundred beans Tommo I would be really pleased - /font]

Who do you think I've been growing them for. I've already set aside my growing stock for next year. I've split off the best 8 seeded pods and they are ready and dry so I will sow a frame just for the seeds for next year and a frame for freezing. I have also a batch of 7 seeded pods to which I will add up to 450 seeds for my plant sales in the spring.

The rest are all yours (should be at least 500) and as soon as these last ones are dry I will shell them and send them over. Keep an eye on the letter box in about a month's time.

(http://www.gardenerschat-shed.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=660;type=avatar)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on October 25, 2014, 12:18:12 AM
You are my No.1 and favourite nursery subsidiary Tommo. Your efficiency is breathtaking! What a player! Between us we'll get Aeron Purple Star runner beans into every allotment and garden on the planet  ThU432:-)

THANKS -  YRTB
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Poppa Tommo on October 25, 2014, 08:24:51 AM
You are very welcome, my friend, it's the least I can do after you introduced me to APS in the first place (and all the good folk on this site who have been so generous).

I notice that you said, above, that you 'can' some of your beans. How good is that for quality eating, and what method do you use?
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on October 25, 2014, 11:11:59 AM
You are very welcome, my friend, it's the least I can do after you introduced me to APS in the first place (and all the good folk on this site who have been so generous).

I notice that you said, above, that you 'can' some of your beans. How good is that for quality eating, and what method do you use?

Do you mean me Tommo? I don't 'can'. However some of our friends from across the pond and in other parts of the southern hemisphere refer to 'canning', but I think it's a term they use for putting things in jars. I've never preserved beans in jars or cans. Freezing is our main form of preserving. Mind you, years ago people used to salt things like runners for winter storage. I wouldn't mind giving that a go - just for curiosity.
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Westheathdave on October 25, 2014, 02:10:35 PM
 RedFaced:-( Tommy you put me to shame you certainly get a lot of things done in a short space of time wish I was as efficient. I am a thinker more than a doer I always do the job in my head first SHOULD save time in the event of unforseen things in theory but I am not so sure now.  :-)snigger
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: wonky on May 16, 2015, 12:09:46 AM
The APS were planted on May 5th in root trainers (toilet paper middles) in the greenhouse and today just 10 days later they are already growing - so looking good!
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on May 16, 2015, 12:57:13 PM
The APS were planted on May 5th in root trainers (toilet paper middles) in the greenhouse and today just 10 days later they are already growing - so looking good!

Excellent!  clap:-)

Glad to hear it Wonky!
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: wonky on May 16, 2015, 08:18:36 PM
That is 23 out of 24 showing already - shouldn't be long before number 24 is up as well!
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: aftermidnight on May 16, 2015, 10:48:06 PM
 ThU32:-) Mine are starting to climb the netting trellis I have them planted on, 15 strong healthy plants, so looking forward to the first taste.

Annette
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on May 17, 2015, 02:22:31 PM
At least the feedback about my beans is a little shimmer of sunshine - which I desperately need at the moment  ::)

They won't let you down - of that I'm sure  CW ;-)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: wonky on May 17, 2015, 09:37:40 PM
Yep not long at all - 24 out of 24 are now growing. Suppose 100% germination rate ain't bad!!
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on May 17, 2015, 10:47:48 PM
Music to my ears Wonky! The germination rate for the APS seems to be breaking all records!! 100% is not even expected under seed certification standards.

Here's an interesting link:


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1564476/Up-to-99pc-of-seeds-in-packets-are-dead.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1564476/Up-to-99pc-of-seeds-in-packets-are-dead.html)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: aftermidnight on May 17, 2015, 11:35:51 PM
After reading that article I am so glad I save most of my own seed, although I save fresh seed every year to pass on to others from the Croatian lettuce I grow. I'm still growing this lettuce from seed that is over 10 year old, stored in the fridge in a plastic container I'm still getting 100% germination from it.
And yes, 100% germination on the Aeron Purple Star. I did have one failure with bean seed this year, bought from a commercial source, 100% failure and I tried twice before I threw the rest away. Not all was lost tho I had 100% germination with the same variety of bean seed I got from another seed saver.
Annette
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on May 18, 2015, 12:24:46 AM
I think there's a lesson to be learnt there for us amateur seed saving gardeners, don't you think Annette?  Grin2:-)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: wrinkly1 on May 19, 2015, 03:40:15 PM
i told you i had 11 from 12 seed germination. well now the other one popped up 2 days later. 100% . never had that before. i,m on putting them out this week so i will keep in touch.cheers wrinkly1
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: wonky on May 19, 2015, 11:00:14 PM
Whilst on the subject of germination rates it is only fair to mention that the Corvoids french bean Elegance has also given a 100% germination rate. 24 planted 24 now growing but just 2 or 3 days slower than the APS to get going. Thanks Scary!!
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on May 20, 2015, 01:22:38 AM
i told you i had 11 from 12 seed germination. well now the other one popped up 2 days later. 100% . never had that before. i,m on putting them out this week so i will keep in touch.cheers wrinkly1

Wow - another hundred per center!  clap:-)

Good innit?
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: FoodieForager on May 29, 2015, 05:44:50 PM
Well very pleased to say that 100% germination was achieved!!....My father in laws germination rate for the variety that he choose was less than 75%...So well done APS and many thanks to Big Gee  chrs:-)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on May 29, 2015, 09:54:39 PM
Well very pleased to say that 100% germination was achieved!!....My father in laws germination rate for the variety that he choose was less than 75%...So well done APS and many thanks to Big Gee  chrs:-)

AND another  clap:-) THANKS for the kind words FF!

This is getting to be an embarrassingly common occurance,   Blush:-( But I can't pretend it doesn't fill me with pride. And yes, I got 100% germination myself as well CW ;-)

What was the father in law's variety FF? A good chance for you to compare end results as well - always good to show an in law up!!!!  Grin2:-)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Poppa Tommo on May 30, 2015, 10:59:34 PM
We'll now, I have, to date, sown over 500 APS in the past five weeks and have achieved 100% germination.

Also I am now getting customers returning from the few extras I sowed last year, for replacement orders.
So.

Just to keep you updated I have now got 18 selected APS all growing on their own frames on my allotment. These are the ones grown just for seed so expect a larger parcel than last year through the post later on in autumn.
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on May 31, 2015, 10:40:40 AM
We'll now, I have, to date, sown over 500 APS in the past five weeks and have achieved 100% germination.

Also I am now getting customers returning from the few extras I sowed last year, for replacement orders.
So.

Just to keep you updated I have now got 18 selected APS all growing on their own frames on my allotment. These are the ones grown just for seed so expect a larger parcel than last year through the post later on in autumn.

 YRTB TOMMO!

Now that IS a spectacular statistic - 500 with a 100% germination rate is a gold medal winner I think! It just gets better and better. You have to post that on the feedback page Tommo.

(http://aeronvale-allotments.org.uk/pics/butt_APS_feedback_wh_bckgrnd.jpg) (http://gardenerschat-shed.net/forum/aps_feedback_form.htm)

I'll look forward to the 'parcel' in the autumn. It looks as if Zunny Deb'n is becoming a second home for the Aeron Purple Star!  ThU:-)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Poppa Tommo on June 01, 2015, 10:06:08 PM
Consider it done
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on June 02, 2015, 10:50:54 AM
Thanks Tommo - just read it.  ThU5:-)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: wonky on June 17, 2015, 05:20:01 PM
Have to say that the APS are not looking at their best for the moment! Those large elephant ear leaves that they grow at the base took a battering from the cold winds we were experiencing at the beginning of June so are torn, battered and yellowing. That said with a little assistance to get them to take hold of their allotted cane, not the adjacent cane that they were trying to take hold of,  they are now climbing rapidly. Some are already close to 3 feet tall and look as though they should eventually do well.
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on June 17, 2015, 08:30:37 PM
No worries there Wonky. They'll take that little set-back in their stride. I've seen similar scenarios in past years when we've had a cold, wind scorching period just after they've been planted out, but not one loss yet!

You won't be disappointed when that "V" frame is smpthered in leaves!  CW ;-)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: wonky on June 05, 2016, 08:29:55 PM
All the aps germinated successfully and with the exception of just one are growing well. The one was demolished by a snail shortly after poking its head through the compost - however given time it is beginning to recover and has sent up a new shoot. They are desperate to go in the ground but need hardening off so hopefully if this better weather holds they will be planted out next weekend.
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: dimogga on June 06, 2016, 09:58:34 AM
Germinated and all done really well so have been hardened off and planted out. Can not wait to start picking some!
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on June 06, 2016, 01:33:11 PM
Woo-whoo - more satisfied Aeron Purple Star growers!

It gives me more pleasure to hear reports like that than if I had germinated a whole field of beans myself!

'Happy Bunnies' then eh?  CThUpD:-)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Poppa Tommo on June 13, 2016, 09:41:33 AM
Well we're on track for some APS seeds for you this year, Gee.

Not kidding, the seeds I received last week from you are now about 4" tall with, again, a 100% germination.

The plot is now prepared with heaps of my patent chicken muck/litter flakes/wood ash compost (over a year old some of it and packed with branding worm), about 100gms of mixed calcified seaweed/FB&B, all rotavated in and sheeted over with weed suppressant.

Better get those canes up ASAP.
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on June 13, 2016, 10:03:21 AM
That's brilliant Tommo! You can't get much better than 100% can you? It's a good 'strike' rate, it's also consistent. For quite a few seasons now the overall germination rate for the APS has been fantastic - I don't think that's ever going to be a problem with these beans. The other characteristic that stands out is their rate of vigour - once germinated they seem to be in a great hurry don't they? I really ought to get my act together and save my pennies to officially register my breeder's rights for them.
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: aftermidnight on June 17, 2016, 01:02:11 AM
...and everyone I have given Aeron Purple Star to have had 100% germination  ThU32:-).
Mine are just starting to throw a few flowers.
Annette
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on June 17, 2016, 08:06:22 AM
...and everyone I have given Aeron Purple Star to have had 100% germination  ThU32:-).
Mine are just starting to throw a few flowers.
Annette

Fantastic! Excellent news Annette. Keep on spreading the gospel on the other side of the 'pond'!

It sounds as if you're well ahead of the field if you've already got flowers showing on yours.  ThU:-)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: wonky on July 27, 2016, 12:47:22 AM
The APS are growing quickly now and are already over the tops of their canes. They must be double the height of the runners on the 2 neighbouring plots. The first of the beans have been picked and eaten and at the moment are looking good for a bumper crop. Thankfully this year they have not been affected at all by blackfly which was a major problem last year. The only odd thing is that the bean pods are not very straight in fact they are quite curly!
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Westheathdave on July 27, 2016, 09:52:27 AM
My Ap's are just about starting to climb up sticks have lost just under half to slugs and something else unknown still got some looking a bit sorry for themselves.
 Angry:-{  Definately NOT sowing them direct in the ground next year in pots in the greenhouse always from now on.
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on July 27, 2016, 10:47:23 AM
The APS are growing quickly now and are already over the tops of their canes. They must be double the height of the runners on the 2 neighbouring plots. The first of the beans have been picked and eaten and at the moment are looking good for a bumper crop. Thankfully this year they have not been affected at all by blackfly which was a major problem last year. The only odd thing is that the bean pods are not very straight in fact they are quite curly!

I'm glad to hear that the Aeron Purple Stars are enjoying their home up north Wonky! They are particularly vigorous and will grow exceptionally high if left to their own devices in good soil. My mate Stephen grew one to nearly 18 feet high two years ago, and it was still going when he took his bean row down. here's a couple of photos. The chap in the 2ndphoto is my No.3 son Alex with his son my little grandson Cai:

(http://aeronvale-allotments.org.uk/pics/APS-08.jpg)

(http://aeronvale-allotments.org.uk/pics/APS-09.jpg)

Fluctuating moisture is the most common cause of pod curl Wonky. Some varieties are naturally curly, but others that usually grow straight pods (like the APS) can go curly if they have irregular levels of moisture. It often happens during dry periods when they have to depend on being watered. No harm done though - just a bit of a nuisance. Sometimes the curl will appear in the middle of the season, and then when the weather turns wetter the new pods are straight again. The best way to avoid it is to have a heavy mulch of grass clippings around the base of the plants to keep the moisture level more constant. I always mulch my own bean crops and seldom suffer curl (mind you it's pretty wet in west Wales anyway!).
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on July 27, 2016, 10:59:44 AM
My Ap's are just about starting to climb up sticks have lost just under half to slugs and something else unknown still got some looking a bit sorry for themselves.
 Angry:-{  Definately NOT sowing them direct in the ground next year in pots in the greenhouse always from now on

Don't worry - they'll get there Dave I promise! In pots is the preferred way to start them off - especially if you have slugs & snails on the prowl (or rabbits in Tommo's case!).

Aren't the ferric Phosphate pellets working? If you have something else having a munch check the leaves for round notches on the outsides of the leaves. The most likely culprit is the pea & bean weevil. Once they reach a certain height they'll probably outgrow the weevils - if that's what's bothering them.

Check out this Fact-File I wrote a few years back:


http://aeronvale-allotments.org.uk/downloads/FACT-%20FILE_Pea&Bean_Weevil_01.pdf (http://aeronvale-allotments.org.uk/downloads/FACT-%20FILE_Pea&Bean_Weevil_01.pdf)
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: wonky on July 28, 2016, 02:16:58 AM
Have to say this is something that I like about this forum! You mention something in passing, in this instance curly beans, and suddenly  a wealth of knowledge and experience pours out in reply. So next year I am looking forward to a crop of straight runners with my new found knowledge on mulching! I always thought it was a waste putting all the grass cuttings in the council bin even if it did keep the place a bit tidier. Mind watering is always going to be a bit hit or miss on my plot as I am reliant on suitable passing clouds not having mains water available. YRTB
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on July 28, 2016, 12:15:45 PM
You're welcome Wonky!

There's never enough grass cuttings for mulch. And lawn clippings are brilliant because they are short. I bet if you put the word around your neighbours would gladly contribute theirs as well. My neighbours put theirs out in bags for me to collect. Be careful that none of them use that horrible 'Weed & Feed' stuff though - it could cause problems for you.
Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Westheathdave on August 21, 2016, 08:48:15 PM
 clap:-) Well the purple stars are well away now some to the top of the sticks already and loads of flowers on them.
One thing I have noticed as i lost a few to slugs and other unknown prey the ones that lost the main shoot have branched and i now have multi main shoots up to 4 on one plant so ~i got one plant climbing 4 bean sticks boy are they vigorous.
here's a photo of em.

Title: Re: Your FEEDBACK
Post by: Big Gee on August 21, 2016, 11:41:37 PM
A bumper crop in the making there Dave! As these little beauties can often produce up to the middle of November - if the weather is obliging - then you have every chance of getting a great crop, despite a late start and initial set-backs.

When the leader gets damaged the plants usually respond with a cluster of other leaders - as most plants do. It might have been a good idea for you to have pinched them out and left the strongest one. However, they will still produce for you, except from bushier and shorter plants.

I'm glad they've survived. A testimony to their vigour and strength - they don't give up easily!  ThU32:-)